SCEP 2012 definition updates makes no sense

Hi, i´m trying to figure out how SCEP updates are working, we are evaluating SCEP on some servers and workstations at the moment and some clients have the latest updates, some have one version old, and som have even older.
For example.
This morning at 04:00 we had an SUP sync and a ADR was created at 04:02 with definition version 1.169.1999.0.
Today at 10:27 one of the clients updated its definition, but to version 1.169.1904.0. Why did it choose an old update? Several clients had already updated to the .1999 version. And why so late? Our antimalware policy is set to check for updates every 1 hour.
The computer powered on at 07:45.
I have looked in the MPlog.log file, but it doesnt make sense either, according to one machine it updated to definition v.1.169.1258.0 mars 31. it is the latest record, but when i check SCEP gui on that machine it have updated to 1.169.2028.0 today.
What am i missing?
Regards Erik

1: And with this configuration all your clients gets all definitions that MS releases during a day?
It looks to me with that config that you will only get definitions that releases before 5AM and then if it arrives 2 more definitions that day you will not recieve them until the next day. is that correct?
2&3: Yeah, i need to do more trouble shooting, yesterday before I went home i made sure that we used Client Notification and that the FW port was open. I set antimalware policy to: update interval: 0. Two sources (configmgr and ms update). Daily update
check at 12 AM. And force to look outside ConfigMgr if no definitions have come within 24 hours from the last update.
It still goes outside to update definitions from MS Update.
I have now set "If ConfigMgr is used as a source for definition updates, clients will only update form alternative source if a definition is older than _ hours" to 720, so hopefully it will start getting updates from only ConfigMgr so i see that it
works.
5: The SCEP ADR is targeted to a collection that includes two other collections.
Client collection: A query that gets all windows 8.1 workstations.
Server collection: A query that gets group membership from Active Directory
6: One more thing, how is it about multiple antimalware policys? we have the default policy at order 10000 and then we have an others at order 1 and 2. For server the default and the one at order 2 active. both have different definition updates entries, but
the one i want to win is in the policy with order 2. the policy with order 2 will always win, right?

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    <![LOG[Starting forced trigger (TriggerEnforce) for assignment {d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101}]LOG]!><time="23:58:29.660-420" date="11-22-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="3948" file="updatesassignment.cpp:1056">
    <![LOG[Detection job ({EEB410E8-3498-4067-AC06-0865D2F80EEB}) started for assignment ({d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101})]LOG]!><time="23:58:29.676-420" date="11-22-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="3948" file="updatesassignment.cpp:1196">
    <![LOG[Progress received for assignment ({d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101})]LOG]!><time="23:58:53.419-420" date="11-22-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="3084" file="updatesassignment.cpp:1988">
    <![LOG[DetectJob completion received for assignment ({d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101})]LOG]!><time="23:58:53.700-420" date="11-22-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="2640" file="updatesassignment.cpp:2113">
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    <![LOG[Update (Site_014D9B0A-06EE-4184-B2A9-766732D2CC81/SUM_f7b9ab32-7d7d-47d7-81e5-ed9b22ca5c33) Name (Definition Update for Microsoft Endpoint Protection - KB2461484 (Definition 1.189.487.0)) ArticleID (2461484) added to the targeted list of deployment ({d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101})]LOG]!><time="23:58:53.747-420" date="11-22-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="2640" file="updatesmanager.cpp:420">
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    <CIAssignmentMessage MessageType='EnforcementDeadline'>
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    </CIAssignmentMessage>']LOG]!><time="01:22:00.071-420" date="11-23-2014" component="UpdatesDeploymentAgent" context="" type="1" thread="4008" file="cdeploymentagent.cpp:189">
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    <CIAssignmentMessage MessageType='Activation'>
    <AssignmentID>{d21314f1-87e3-49a7-8cae-c8b266ea9101}</AssignmentID>
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