Score Editor: Bars Per Line

I have a piece in which all staves have 4 bars each. That's great. But the very first line has a pickup. So for that one line I want five bars on the line and all the others I want four.
I know there is a way to put a "Page and Line Breaks" in the partbox. But that's no good. That would mean I'd set it up for 5 bars per line, and then modify every line past that for the whole piece.
I does one manually shuffle a bar from line to line, here and there, through a piece?
-- Gerry

Many thanks! I knew I'd seen it before but couldn't find the dang thing!
-- Gerry

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    Message was edited by: musicspirit

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    Message was edited by: musicspirit

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