Score editor: beamed grace notes

Hi,
I usually do this in order to create beamed grace notes:
"If you want to create beamed grace notes, try using a polyphonic staff style (see
“Adding Staffs to a Staff Style” on page 747) with no rests displayed for the second
voice. Assign the desired grace notes to the second voice, and resize them with the
Resize tool."
Till now it has worked, (I've tried with two or three beamed grace notes). But in the score that I'm working right now I need to have four beamed grace notes, and I couldn't do it. The fourth beamed grace note stays after the "real" note and I could not move it whit the layout tool.
I can send you a picture of the problem if I'm not being clear.
Thanks.

apparantly now, you can actually beam grace notes as independent grace notes. i don't know for sure, but there maybe a problem with it. i haven't tried it (not in studio).
but for your problem, i would use the technique of assigning the notes you want to be 'grace' to a different midi channel and turning off the rests for that midi channel. you will need to duplicate your score style. this is quite easy to do but really, we ought to have a more elegant method of entering grace notes than we do presently.

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