Score Editor: Beaming issue

I am trying to beam separately each of 4 beats of the bar in groups of four 16th notes. My problem is that when I select the 16ths of Beat 1 ( the last of which is tied to Beat 2) Logic creates a beam across all the notes as per the example below:
Any ideas how to get the beam to act only between the 16th note and the first 8th note, not the second?
Cheers
M S

iS ... the genius of simple solutions - many many thanks!!!!!!
M S

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Hi,
I usually do this in order to create beamed grace notes:
"If you want to create beamed grace notes, try using a polyphonic staff style (see
“Adding Staffs to a Staff Style” on page 747) with no rests displayed for the second
voice. Assign the desired grace notes to the second voice, and resize them with the
Resize tool."
Till now it has worked, (I've tried with two or three beamed grace notes). But in the score that I'm working right now I need to have four beamed grace notes, and I couldn't do it. The fourth beamed grace note stays after the "real" note and I could not move it whit the layout tool.
I can send you a picture of the problem if I'm not being clear.
Thanks.

apparantly now, you can actually beam grace notes as independent grace notes. i don't know for sure, but there maybe a problem with it. i haven't tried it (not in studio).
but for your problem, i would use the technique of assigning the notes you want to be 'grace' to a different midi channel and turning off the rests for that midi channel. you will need to duplicate your score style. this is quite easy to do but really, we ought to have a more elegant method of entering grace notes than we do presently.

How do override the automatic cross staff beaming in Score Editor?

I created a Piano Midi file and opened it in the Score Editor. In attempt to clean up the notation I asked that the middle C be a "Staff Below Voice". It then lowered the note to the bottom staff and added a Cross Staff Beam connecting the two. How do I get rid of this?
Notice the first beat of measure 3 and 4 are cross staffed. I would like there to be 2 notes in each staff.

Actually, I finally (after hours) figured it out. You have to differentiate what Midi channel you want each staff to be and it will break the two staves apart.

Score Editor bug: syncopating a note disturbs line layout

In the example below, the instrumental part with max 2 bars per line has been created with the Layout Tool, and then the selection saved as a Score Set ( which i hope locks all the page details in place).
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I then noticed that the red circled note is not displayed correctly - it should be a dotted eighth note and duly click on it with my Syncopate note command.
This then produces the following effect: it crunches up the bars and disturbs the line layout which was already set, cramming 3 bars onto the line above as in the example below.
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i should be enjoying my holiday but i couldn't help myself...
there are a couple of fixes for this.
first, try cutting the regions somewhere to force a redraw.
second, if no form of cutting or reformatting works, try copy and pasting the midi into a fresh autoload on the intel.
particularly if the file was created pre 7.2. there can be compatibility issues between ppc and intel.

Score Editor: Best chord symbol font?

What is the best combination of 1) font and 2) size for Chord Root and Chord Extension? ...for jazz and pop parts
PS Anybody notice if the Chord Symbol fonts/implementation has improved or changed in L8? I still have difficulty getting the chords looking really well sized and "professional" looking. Would appreciate a word from someone who really has nailed this aspect... ie font and actual size setting

Thanks for your reply Mark .. but I am looking for some specific info here. I want to know what EXACT font and size is optimum - from someone who uses Logic's Score Editor to turn out parts for pro sessions/band parts etc.
I have spent ages experimenting like you describe - but cannot find a combination of font and size that is really professional looking. Usually the accidental is too small or too large or too far away from the Root of the Chord. I am familiar with all the usual parameters in the Score preferences etc ... but the chord symbols still dont look that great to me. Usable yes .. but not great.
If there is anyone out there with a specific favourite combination, I would much appreciate a word from you .. here -
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Score Editor: why wont chords paste on other parts?

Whether in Page View or Linear View I cannot copy and paste chords on the Piano Part to other Instruments.
I select first chord on the piano part, then Select Similar objects and all the chords begin to wink, then Copy..
Then I select say the bass part .. or one of the horn parts and Control V does not paste anything.
Could it be to do with the position of the chords in the piano part between the two staves? ie that they are already in a certain graphic place and a single stave part ( ie bass or trombone or trumpet) cannot "see" the chords" or does not have space for them?
In which case how do you vertically and horizontally re-align them? The inspector does not seem to respond and just has a little star in that box
All suggestions welcome
M S

Caramby wrote:
You need to log-in to view this content. Therefore many people will not be able to see it. You could >copy & paste the relevant section into a new post if you would like to improve access.
To anyone reading this - it is as easy as pie to join Logic Pro Help. They are a very helpful bunch of guys and a useful alternative resource for Logic issues.
If you cant read the post I refer to with a link, and are really interested in the answer .. just join them - it is as easy as joining here
PS The answer to my question about Chord Pasting is very specific and technical to the Score Editor and with great respect to all the answers here, they are guesses in the dark from people who do not use the Score Editor in the way I am trying to use it.
Please guys, check out Ski's response on LPH ... he really knows what he is talking about
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Score Editor: long ledger lines

If anyone can tell me how to correct this I would be most grateful.
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This is an L8 problem. If I open an identical document in L7 I do not get these long lines
This is a snapshot of a PDF printed by the Score Editor to desk top. If I print the part direct from Logic 8 the same problem occurs

Hi Brett - the answer to this issue was originally given by Rohan Stevenson on Logic Pro Help. No one answered it here.
The long ledger lines are due to use of Third Party fonts. Look in Logic Preferences>Score Preferences and you will see a box which asks if you want to use 3rd Party fonts ( in my case Sonata was available). As soon as I unchecked this box, the problem disappeared.
Check out the original thread:
http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=32992&highlight=score+editor
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M S

Have the sustain pedal signs on the score editor any effect on the midi?

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_Global Format_
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How do you draw a tie of two notes in the score editor window

How do you draw a simple tie in the score editor window of Logic Pro 10 ; two quarter notes together, an eighth up-beat accross a bar line into the next measure etc? I can't find the answer in videos, help manual. Please give a step by step how to do it.
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Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
I don't want to do this by going over to the "Length" dialog on the left because I hate having to switch from thinking in terms of music notation and then having to think (temporarily) in MIDI ticks per beat, etc.
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dhjdhj wrote:
I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
greetings dh... are you into Key Commands? There are two which will help you do the above in a trice:
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• Nudge Region/Event Length Left by SMPTE Frame
I set mine to the simple letter o and n
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– I click on a note and press n repeatedly.. it shrinks and shrinks shorter and shorter
All by little increments
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man, it is VERY quick and handy for changing the length of notes
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• Set Next Higher division
• Set Next lower division
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2 • Nudge Region/Event Position Left by Nudge Value
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value that is set in the Transport bar - say it is 16ths .. then each press of the key will move the notes a 16th
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Score Editor doesn't display region after cut

Hello, after cutting a small section between locators in the Piano Roll I changed to the Score Editor view.
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Some Drum notes not displaying in Score editor

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Score Editor: request for feature

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Score editor: command z, bug?

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Hi Ko be
I just tried opening in L8 an L7 song which has several key signature changes 4/4 to 7/4 to 4/3 and Command + Z doesnt erase them...
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L8 score editor - although improved in some ways - has driven me nuts with really simple weird bugs which L7 never used to do .. eg:
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Score Editor

I'm using my grand piano with midi capability to input data into my Logic express program.
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[email protected]

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