Score editor: command z, bug?

hi,
I have a score with different time signatures: 3/8, 4/4, 7/7, 5/16, etc.
Every time I press command+Z logic erases nearly all of my time signatures (and the last action I wanted to "undo" it isn't of course the addition of the time signatures logic erases )
Is it a bug?
thanks

Hi Ko be
I just tried opening in L8 an L7 song which has several key signature changes 4/4 to 7/4 to 4/3 and Command + Z doesnt erase them...
I would be pretty sure that your problem is one of those bugs which occurs from a corruption within a Logic 8 document.. but is not a 'generic' L8 defect.
L8 score editor - although improved in some ways - has driven me nuts with really simple weird bugs which L7 never used to do .. eg:
• clicking on a chord symbol ( to bring up the box for editing different elements root/bass note etc) sometimes takes ages to activate - or when it does then the whole part disappears and you are left with a grey page which says " there is nothing in the score editor"
• another intermittent bug is rubber banding a group of chord symbols to cut and paste simple, or drag alter alignment - just does not not work and the chords dont let themselves be selected and go into flashing mode. This is unbelievably irritating especially when you are expecting something so simple to work as before
• the other method of selecting - holding shift and clicking on chord symbols to select a group doesnt work
All this kind of stuff intermittent... ie you never know which Logic Song it is going to start behaving badly in
all best
M S

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Score Editor bug: syncopating a note disturbs line layout

In the example below, the instrumental part with max 2 bars per line has been created with the Layout Tool, and then the selection saved as a Score Set ( which i hope locks all the page details in place).
[img] http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture3.png [/img]
I then noticed that the red circled note is not displayed correctly - it should be a dotted eighth note and duly click on it with my Syncopate note command.
This then produces the following effect: it crunches up the bars and disturbs the line layout which was already set, cramming 3 bars onto the line above as in the example below.
[img]http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture4.png[/img]
Any solutions appreciated/workflow suggestions.. or is this just "..another L8 Score Editor bug.. wasting more of 2009"
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Message was edited by: musicspirit

i should be enjoying my holiday but i couldn't help myself...
there are a couple of fixes for this.
first, try cutting the regions somewhere to force a redraw.
second, if no form of cutting or reformatting works, try copy and pasting the midi into a fresh autoload on the intel.
particularly if the file was created pre 7.2. there can be compatibility issues between ppc and intel.

"Open with External Editor" command bug?

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Score editor tutorial?

I have been doing MIDI occasionally since the late 90's, originally with Music Shop. Then I stepped up to a pre Apple version of Logic. I want to do stepped recording with the score editor. My reason is to enter notation from published sheet music so I can play it back and learn to read music in that manner.
My difficulty is when logic adds a rest to the score, I don't know how to remove it, or change the
value. I also plan on recording from MIDI hardware; guitar MIDI pickup MIDI keyboard, and drum machines.
Does anyone know of a good tutorial on this type of use?
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the manuals talk about short cut keys but does not specify what the short cuts are, for instance, pg 680, 'Selecting Part Box Objects With Key Commands' The following unassigned key commands....etc part box: 1/1 Note, I don't understand this, what is the key command ?{quote}
greetings and welcome to the Score Editor .. a feature of Logic which like the fax machine, is headed for cobwebs and neglect, judging by the stunning silence of comments on the Logic 9 version.
But if you have the patience to explore the Score Editor, read on for you will find that never has a feature of Logic been shunned by so many and loved by so few.
To answer your question: there is very little direct explanation in the manual of many of the Logic short cut keys. The ones you refer to are 'unassigned' because they are not part of the more obvious standard set of Logic Short cut assignments. So you are free to assign your own Commands to those short cut keys that you might find useful. Selecting Part Box objects by Key Command means using a few key strokes (programmed) to insert an object ie a note which has a value of 1/4 would be a quarter note or 1/8 an eighth note and you could programme a key command to select this this and insert it with a mouse click (tool), if your preferred method of composing is to 'write' the notes in like Sibelius.
As a long time Score Editor user, and also a keyboard player, I prefer a completely different method which is a mixture of playing in real time via a midi key board and quantizing the result, and also step time inserting notes - ie putting the Logic into step time record mode and then pressing the relevant key on the midi keyboard. Then using key commands to pre-select the lenght of the inserted note, or key commands to change the length of an inserted note...
If any of this makes sense and interests you.. then good luck with the Score Editor - Logic's strength is its combination of Score and Midi programming which makes for a certain kind of very fast input once you get familiar with the techniques. So much so that there are a bunch of old hands on this forum ( though they are a dying breed) who have a lot of knowledge about how to do this and a LOT of expertise in producing totally professional scores for orchestras and live recording situations, films scores etc of any kind...
.. all done on the Logic Score Editor. Where others use Finale and Sibelius etc
But because the main focus of Logic 8 and Logic 9 have gone away from the Score Editor ( which has not received any significant bug fixes or new features for many many months) - the message from on high is that nobody really cares about the wealth of user professional knowledge that has grown around the use of the Score Editor over previous versions of Logic .. and a really great feature of the original programme has been left to ...well die.
Fewer and fewer new users of Logic are attracted to taking the time to learn how to use the Score Editor ...especially because it is now virtually unsupported by the company that owns it.
Anyone wishing to continue to use it has to digest this painful fact and decide whether he/she wants to get a life of hanging out in a couple of friendly forums to hook up with a dwindling number of users who know how to deal with the Score Editor and get round enfuriating bugs and idiosyncrasies which will never be resolved.
.. actually its not a bad life... and there are few people around who make it all worthwhile ;
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Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
I don't want to do this by going over to the "Length" dialog on the left because I hate having to switch from thinking in terms of music notation and then having to think (temporarily) in MIDI ticks per beat, etc.
I must admit that I'm finding it extremely frustrating to simply enter music into Logic in a score....I thought this was supposed to be one of its strengths but it seems to be providing amazing capabilities at the expense of ease of use for beginners.

dhjdhj wrote:
I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
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• Nudge Region/Event Length Left by SMPTE Frame
I set mine to the simple letter o and n
- I click on a note and press o repeatedly.. it grows and grows longer and longer
– I click on a note and press n repeatedly.. it shrinks and shrinks shorter and shorter
All by little increments
If you keep a Piano Roll window open while you do this, you can see the length do this exactly
man, it is VERY quick and handy for changing the length of notes
It really helps to have a view of the midi Piano Roll to cross check the exact length and position of the notes.
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• Set Next lower division
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2 • Nudge Region/Event Position Left by Nudge Value
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... amazingly useful when you are taking a whole phrase and pasting it somewhere else, or if say you started to write a phrase in the Score Editor and you started on the wrong beat.. then you just Nudge back and forth
3 • Set Nudge Value to Division
.. this will in a trice change change the Nudge Value to whatever Note division value is set in the Transport bar
HTH and forgive me if I have given you too much information
..problem is I spent too much time in the Transport Bar in Los Angeles last year drinking with the iSchwartz and other Logic reprobrates... you should join us some time

Problem viewing .mid files in Score Editor

Help please!
Used Finale several years ago before I upgraded to OS 10 and Logic 7.2 Express. I recently opened one of my .mid files from Finale and it played back fine but when I tried to see the score in the Score Editor it was altered and only some of the notes were visible - even though they all played and were obviously "there" using other views such as Matrix or Event Editors!
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Read the manual for the myriad details, but hacking through the options may get you to what you intended.
You should likely read up on "overlap" to see what kind of roadblocks it is or isn't providing.
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Drums In Score Editor

Hi, I read the manual for customizing the score editor to display your drum parts properly. But when I create a new mapped instrument in the environment, and edit the parts in the drum editor, such as creating new groups, and note heads....nothing happens in the the score.
For instance if i take the B0 kick drum and change the note head, then I input that kick drum in the score editor (using a mapped score style with a kick drum voice) the kick drum will show up, but not with the new note head. For some reason no matter what I change in the new mapped instrument's drum editor the score won't reflect those changes.
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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
Alternatively, you could open the integrated HyperEditor in the Score window: you can't edit lengths there, but you can see them, and edit them using the Length parameter in the Inspector. However - if you do this, your edits won't be updated graphically until you release your mouse, and the method isn't very useful for editing notes played at the same time.
If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
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Score editor inserting notes.

Hi Everyone
Hope you're all keeping well. Please can some one help to explain how to insert a quaver note on a staff at the beginning of a bar or on the first beat of the bar with a minim on the same beat beneath it, I do know how to use the separation tool but I am having difficulty writing a quaver on the first beat instead I keep getting a crotchet. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it take care.
Tumahawk.

There are two questions here: i) regarding the size of the note, quaver/crotchet etc ... depends on how the Score settings are displayed. Best thing is to read the manual if you want to do this in the Score Editor there are so many ways to do it and you need to get familiar with a couple of regular operations.
i) ie the Song Position Line.. get used to placing this exactly in the bar where you want to insert a note.
ii) Also the Event Editor: if you drag a note from the side of the score editor you need to look at the Event Editor to see exactly where you are placing it.
iii) If you are using a midi keyboard to input the notes, then you need to set up key commands that would make the SPL move by the right increments, ie shift SPL a quaver, a crotchet etc.. and become familiar with the Key Command that shifts the SPL etc
However if you just want to insert a note and drag it to the right size then the best place is the Matrix editor where you can see exactly how long the note length is... though the display of the note also depends on what your score settings are, so you may put in a quaver and if the Score Style show only crotchets, it will display a quaver as a crotchet.
Regarding your second question about putting a minim on the same beat of the bar below a quaver.. you will need to explore the concept of Polyphonic voices and assign the line with the minim to a different midi channel
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Font in Score Editor

I made a lead sheet using the Logic the other day, and I have a question about it.
The default typeface for chord symbol extensions is Times. This is fine, except when there are flats or sharps in the extensions (e.g. G7b5 or whatever). Using Times, of course, these extensions are shown as the letter b, sharps as pound signs.
I know Logic uses the AScore font for stuff, but if I use that (or AScoreParts), the extensions get all messed up. Do I have any options for using Logic's internal stuff for this, or do I have to use an external music font? For what it's worth, I know that works, but I'd rather not have to do that if I can avoid it.
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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
Alternatively, you could open the integrated HyperEditor in the Score window: you can't edit lengths there, but you can see them, and edit them using the Length parameter in the Inspector. However - if you do this, your edits won't be updated graphically until you release your mouse, and the method isn't very useful for editing notes played at the same time.
If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
http://www.studio-central.com/images/notate2.gif

Score Editor: disappearing chord symbols

Very annoyingly, after inserting chord symbols with the chord tool, the chord symbols have suddenly started disappearing after I TAB out of them to move to the next bar, or they disappear as soon as I click somewhere else to de-select.
I cannot tell if this is a bug ( though I suspect it is) or some element of the score editor I am unaware of.
After the chord disappears and I re-insert it. Same thing happens.
Looking in the Event list shows that there are actually three chords inserted there as META events. But it seems they have disappeared for ever from the score...
All suggestions appreciated.

yo rohan.. you are indeed correct. Fiddling with the channel in the Event List cleared this up.
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Score Editor: Orange Padlocks

In the last day I have re-read the entire chapter on the Score Editor manual but there is no reference to the ORANGE PADLOCKS which seem to appear at random .. tantalisingly offering hope of *remembering the individual part layout* .. which is my biggest time wasting bugbear.
They appear at random when you open the Score Set of a Part - I make Score Sets out of each individual part in the hope of layout security
But they dont appear when you just open an individual part from the Arrange window
If someone could explain exactly how they work I would be seriously grateful
M S

Okay, gleaning one hint each time--this time your use of the word "layout tool"--I've finally managed to create a padlock on the page. See manual pg. 805. I moved a bar from one line to the next, in theory because I need more space on the "from" line for a handful of appoggiaturas. Once done, I have a padlock appearing on the "from" line. This is the same as the display example indicated, though not explained in the text. Since I forced a format change "locking" that activity to that staff, I assume this is the intended significance of the padlock.
So to your original post: You now have a visual reference to the orange padlock and and an assumed indication of it's intent: It reminds you that this line is "locked" to special indication of bars requested.
On to your implied questions then: Remembering the individual part layout. Can you walk me through a simple scenario by which you configure a part layout, or point me to one in the manual, and then indicate how it doesn't stick? I might well discover it on my own, but it would take less time to assume I've encountered your exact dilemma.
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Printing in Score Editor

Hello everyone, new here.
I am a new Logic Pro 8 user, and recently I arranged and mixed a composition in Logic Pro. The thing is that when I "Select all" the tracks and go to Score Editor, it only shows one track (and only a part of it, if the track's music is divided in multiple parts). I really don't know what to do, as I have a deadline for next week. If someone could please show me a quick tutorial on preparing and printing the scores, I would be very grateful. (The Getting Started tutorial didn't help me that much) So basically, all I need is to insert the title and the instrumentation on the score and then select it all and print it.
Thank you for your time guys, have a nice day.

a quick crash course:
the score editor is the easiest part of logic to master provided, 1) you are musically literate, and 2) you understand some very simple core concepts.
but before that just to get you going (look up any terms i use):
1. you need to make sure that content catch (the link button) is grey. if you still don't see your full score then click the arrow next to it.
2. as matter of simplicity, it is easier if you name your audio object (now called control strip) the name of the instrument you want to have appear as the name in your score.
3. you need to look in view/page display options/ and select show margins. then you can see where you have to drag your title to.
the core concepts:
*instrument sets and staff styles.*
the instrument set displays your score, section and parts. set a KC (key command) for 'create instrument set from selection.' now, when you have the staves highlighted in the All Instruments view, it will make a score out of your selected instruments. imagine you had a string quartet and some midi instruments. you only want to display the string quartet as a score, so you select those staves and hit the KC. now you will have a score only of the strong quartet.
this goes further...you can then edit sections of a full orchestra...and finally you should make an instrument set for each part you want to print. ie if you were printing the clarinet part it would be a set with just the clarinet in it.
the reason for this is that instrument sets can be formatted independently of one another. and this is why you couldn't edit the the All Instruments set. you have to make an instrument set first.
staff styles: you can have as many different staff styles as you want for each instrument and they will print out correctly. that means you can have staff style just for a bit where you want to show different voices, or just for a bit with an ossia (a double stave style). when you are using a mutlivoice staff style, you can do things like hide notes you don't to see, for example in a glissando, because those styles will only display the notes with the midi channel you have set for them.
each midi region in arrange can have its own staff style setting. so you can chop up your violin 1 part as much as you want and assign it different score styles throughout depending on what you need.
final core concept - MIDI.
don't trust your eyes!!!! only trust midi information when placing things in your score. always ensure that when you insert something in the score that it is in the right midi position. here i am talking about text and various score markings you drag from the partbox.
here are the KC's you absolutely need to have for work in the score editor:
1. create instrument set from selection. you should use this a lot!
2. open staff style editor.
3. open instrument set editor. edit your instrument set so that it looks right is scaled properly etc. when using the logic default score styles, i recommend setting your parts for printing to no more than 85%. any more and the writing is unnecessarily big.
honestly, if you work those KC's, and stick to those concepts, everything just falls together after that. of all the notation editors i have used, logic's is by far the most intuitive and flexible - but i stress - you have to grock those concepts.

Have the sustain pedal signs on the score editor any effect on the midi?

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Whilst working on the score editor I realized I wanted to get rid of the sustain pedal markings without of course affecting the midi playback. Perhaps deleting the pedal sings from the score has no effect on the playback but I need confirmation (of course I need the sustains to perform... just dont want to see them at this stage on score.. too messy)
Thanks for reading.

_Global Format_
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_Default Pedal Position_
This determines the vertical position of pedal symbols which are created and displayed automatically when you use the MIDI sustain pedal during a real time recording. +If this parameter is set to zero, the recorded MIDI sustain pedal controller events will be hidden in the score.+

How do you draw a tie of two notes in the score editor window

How do you draw a simple tie in the score editor window of Logic Pro 10 ; two quarter notes together, an eighth up-beat accross a bar line into the next measure etc? I can't find the answer in videos, help manual. Please give a step by step how to do it.
It's hard to believe that a program like Logic, that has more information than the New York Public Library, does not have a simple solution for tieing notes. Maybe Logic XI will have one, or "Logicians" can speak to Sibelius for a more "note-worthy" way to solving the problem so that the score editor can be more accessible for editing purposes for those that read and write manuscript. Lew Traver

Hi
Ties are generally automatically created as necessary. Simply adjust the length of the note in the Score (using DurationBars or the Inspector), or in the Piano Roll or Event list.
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