Score Editor: disappearing chord symbols

Very annoyingly, after inserting chord symbols with the chord tool, the chord symbols have suddenly started disappearing after I TAB out of them to move to the next bar, or they disappear as soon as I click somewhere else to de-select.
I cannot tell if this is a bug ( though I suspect it is) or some element of the score editor I am unaware of.
After the chord disappears and I re-insert it. Same thing happens.
Looking in the Event list shows that there are actually three chords inserted there as META events. But it seems they have disappeared for ever from the score...
All suggestions appreciated.

yo rohan.. you are indeed correct. Fiddling with the channel in the Event List cleared this up.
cheers
Adam
PS can you now serve up some of that great coffee on the Event List ?

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What is the best combination of 1) font and 2) size for Chord Root and Chord Extension? ...for jazz and pop parts
PS Anybody notice if the Chord Symbol fonts/implementation has improved or changed in L8? I still have difficulty getting the chords looking really well sized and "professional" looking. Would appreciate a word from someone who really has nailed this aspect... ie font and actual size setting

Thanks for your reply Mark .. but I am looking for some specific info here. I want to know what EXACT font and size is optimum - from someone who uses Logic's Score Editor to turn out parts for pro sessions/band parts etc.
I have spent ages experimenting like you describe - but cannot find a combination of font and size that is really professional looking. Usually the accidental is too small or too large or too far away from the Root of the Chord. I am familiar with all the usual parameters in the Score preferences etc ... but the chord symbols still dont look that great to me. Usable yes .. but not great.
If there is anyone out there with a specific favourite combination, I would much appreciate a word from you .. here -
m s
PS went through this same issue with L7 and wondered if there was something new in L8 that you had discovered

Font change in Score title and chord symbols

fonts and size wont change. And yes I have RTFM 20 times on this.
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Kaiser
Logic Pro 8.02

.. I totally sympathise with your frustrations. In L7 the system was much simpler and intuitive. See further comments on this very subject:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8593456#8593456
Text Styles and Fonts in L8 are for some reason now two different windows - complicated by the fact that when you select a Text Style ( ie Chord Symbol, Plain Text etc etc ) it does not highlight properly and clearly and the Font box opens and does a weird little jump...?
However, if you double click on a Text Style, *even though it does not appear selected*, you need to also click on the font name next to it - in the Text Style box ( right hand column)
It then brings up the Font box on the right as a separate window. Here you click on a different font and the font of say the Plain Text will change ( if that was what you selected).
Visually you would expect to see the highlighted in the Left hand Text Styles box, the one which you were wanting to change, but Logic as it is now does not see fit to do this.. and you have to remember which one you were wishing to change the font on.
Then in the right hand box of fonts, you can change the font and you will notice that the Text Style name of the font has changed
I hope this is of use
good luck
MS
PS double clicking on anything seems to be the preferred way to change it
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Score Editor: Reduce size of individual chord symbols?

The Logic chord fonts - bless them - have always produced very unwieldy symbols when you add a bass note, as in the examples below. I am always aching to reduce the size of the invidual chord symbols ( Eb over G ... Eb over Bb) because they clutter up the score, while keeping the other chords the same size.
Is there any way whatsover to do this? The Resize Tool does not seem to work on them. Nor are Chord Symbols convertible to plain text objects - either severally or individually ( as the Song Title is).
All suggestions welcomed
M S
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if i understand you correctly, you would be advised to use a different score style to hide the rests, and the format tool to drag bars into different positions.
you might consider also using the global format constant spacing, or limiting the number of bars displayed on a line.
there are lots of ways round this - you also can insert a user barline that will hide it on print out. one thing you can't do is drag a barline. perhaps more detail about what you are trying to achieve might help if this hasn't answered it for you.

Score Editor: why wont chords paste on other parts?

Whether in Page View or Linear View I cannot copy and paste chords on the Piano Part to other Instruments.
I select first chord on the piano part, then Select Similar objects and all the chords begin to wink, then Copy..
Then I select say the bass part .. or one of the horn parts and Control V does not paste anything.
Could it be to do with the position of the chords in the piano part between the two staves? ie that they are already in a certain graphic place and a single stave part ( ie bass or trombone or trumpet) cannot "see" the chords" or does not have space for them?
In which case how do you vertically and horizontally re-align them? The inspector does not seem to respond and just has a little star in that box
All suggestions welcome
M S

Caramby wrote:
You need to log-in to view this content. Therefore many people will not be able to see it. You could >copy & paste the relevant section into a new post if you would like to improve access.
To anyone reading this - it is as easy as pie to join Logic Pro Help. They are a very helpful bunch of guys and a useful alternative resource for Logic issues.
If you cant read the post I refer to with a link, and are really interested in the answer .. just join them - it is as easy as joining here
PS The answer to my question about Chord Pasting is very specific and technical to the Score Editor and with great respect to all the answers here, they are guesses in the dark from people who do not use the Score Editor in the way I am trying to use it.
Please guys, check out Ski's response on LPH ... he really knows what he is talking about
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Chord Symbols: 3 Display Questions

Been using Logic for a while now (first with Express 7.2; then Logic Studio since its debut) -- though would still label myself a novice. Am hoping some of the pros here can help clarify a couple of points re the display of Chord Symbols:
Question 1):
I was happy to recently discover that unlike both the Transport window and the little box in the top right of the Piano Roll, the Chord option within Global Tracks does show the inversions -- “F/C” as opposed to simply “F” for example.
is there any way to set the Transport window, the Piano Roll, etc. to do the same?
Question 2):
Other than simply repositioning those blue chord symbols which appear in the Score window (after selecting the Insert Chords function), or editing them by double-clicking on them, are there any cleverly-hidden formatting options as well: font, font size, making the bottom letter smaller than the root letter, etc? Or has that kind of window-dressing not yet been built in?
Question 3):
If I change the actual notes of a chord (say by dragging some of them up or down in the Piano Roll), and if the chords in that region have already been analyzed, is there a way to “re-analzye” just that one chord, or just the one region of which it’s a part, without everything going wonky?
By wonky, I mean that when I’ve tried to do this, many of the other chord symbols suddenly change, some go out of alignment with the measure to which they belong, and chords from other regions disappear altogether. And in the Edit Menu it talks about how I’ve just Inserted a Transposition Change, even though the region I had selected contained no transpositions whatsoever. (And the same thing seems to happen regardless of whether the “Change Display Only” option is checked or not.)
So I simply Undo, and then manually enter the correct new chord name. But I’m guessing the above paragraph reflects some basic misunderstanding I must have about how the Analzye function is supposed to work. So if anyone could set me straight (or point me in the right RTFM direction) on that point, I’d be grateful.
Thanks,
John Bertram
Toronto

John Bertram wrote:
Question 2):
Other than simply repositioning those blue chord symbols which appear in the Score window (after selecting the Insert Chords function), or editing them by double-clicking on them, are there any cleverly-hidden formatting options as well: font, font size, making the bottom letter smaller than the root letter, etc? Or has that kind of window-dressing not yet been built in?
Well, no takers after two weeks, but at least I can now answer one of the above questions myself for the benefit of anyone searching this topic.
Re Question 2, yes you CAN format the chord symbols imported onto a Score Editor page. Just click on the small Text button near the top of the Score window, and from the drop down list which appears choose "Text Styles...". That gives you a window with a list of a dozen or so elements (two of which are "Chord Root" and "Chord Ext."). Double-Clicking in the column to the right of any of those elements in turn opens a standard Font window which lets you format away -- it even offers options for that particular element to be boxed or circled. Only restriction is it looks like any changes you make are global to that Project for that particular element, which is what you'd want (for the sake of visual consistency) 99% of the time anyway.
Only follow-up question would be: is there any way to make any of those text formatting changes the default for all future projects when accessing the Score Editor?
Meantime, would still like to hear from anyone with thoughts on Question 1 (getting the Transport window to display chords with their inversions, a la the Global Tracks display) and/or Question 3 (is there a clean way to re-Analyze a region in which you may have changed some of the chords -- or is that just an unpredictably "buggy" area still to be avoided?)
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
John Bertram
Toronto

Score editor: command z, bug?

hi,
I have a score with different time signatures: 3/8, 4/4, 7/7, 5/16, etc.
Every time I press command+Z logic erases nearly all of my time signatures (and the last action I wanted to "undo" it isn't of course the addition of the time signatures logic erases )
Is it a bug?
thanks

Hi Ko be
I just tried opening in L8 an L7 song which has several key signature changes 4/4 to 7/4 to 4/3 and Command + Z doesnt erase them...
I would be pretty sure that your problem is one of those bugs which occurs from a corruption within a Logic 8 document.. but is not a 'generic' L8 defect.
L8 score editor - although improved in some ways - has driven me nuts with really simple weird bugs which L7 never used to do .. eg:
• clicking on a chord symbol ( to bring up the box for editing different elements root/bass note etc) sometimes takes ages to activate - or when it does then the whole part disappears and you are left with a grey page which says " there is nothing in the score editor"
• another intermittent bug is rubber banding a group of chord symbols to cut and paste simple, or drag alter alignment - just does not not work and the chords dont let themselves be selected and go into flashing mode. This is unbelievably irritating especially when you are expecting something so simple to work as before
• the other method of selecting - holding shift and clicking on chord symbols to select a group doesnt work
All this kind of stuff intermittent... ie you never know which Logic Song it is going to start behaving badly in
all best
M S

Font in Score Editor

I made a lead sheet using the Logic the other day, and I have a question about it.
The default typeface for chord symbol extensions is Times. This is fine, except when there are flats or sharps in the extensions (e.g. G7b5 or whatever). Using Times, of course, these extensions are shown as the letter b, sharps as pound signs.
I know Logic uses the AScore font for stuff, but if I use that (or AScoreParts), the extensions get all messed up. Do I have any options for using Logic's internal stuff for this, or do I have to use an external music font? For what it's worth, I know that works, but I'd rather not have to do that if I can avoid it.
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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
Alternatively, you could open the integrated HyperEditor in the Score window: you can't edit lengths there, but you can see them, and edit them using the Length parameter in the Inspector. However - if you do this, your edits won't be updated graphically until you release your mouse, and the method isn't very useful for editing notes played at the same time.
If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
http://www.studio-central.com/images/notate2.gif

Score Editor- Create Multi-Bar Repeat

I'm transcribing pop songs with a lot of 8 bar repeats. How can I insert a multiple bar repeat symbol into my score? I only see the 1 and 2 bar repeat symbols and I can't even really get those to work for me either.

Indeed - this is something I have really missed in the Logic Score editor for basic arrangements of pop/jazz etc
It is very common to have a multi bar repeat which is not just 1 or 2 bars - 4 bar & 8 would be especially useful in many situations where there is a groove going and you just need a drummer or bass player to keep a chord progression or riff that is obvious.
It would enable one to reduce the number of pages for the part
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If you take Guy's example above, it would mean you could condense the part and not have loads and loads of repeated 2 bar segments. And also ...
.. you would not want to add extra repeat signs etc because you would want the other instrument parts ( ie with more complicated content melody lines perhaps) to be longer - and have the same repeat signs on each part.
In other words, the rhythm section is playing a groove which repeats and the soloist or other instruments are doing other stuff on top of it.
It is in rhythm section parts that I really miss the capacity to add numbers above the repeated two bar sign
Hope this makes sense
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Score Editor

I'm using my grand piano with midi capability to input data into my Logic express program.
The rhythmic values that I play are always changing as a normal course of improvising. So 1 measure might have triplets, 16ths. *I play 8ths that are played in a swing feel, which should be notated EVENLY!* ARGH!
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If I play a line into the program with mixed rhythmic values I can't seem to get the score editor to display the result the way I want to see it. Is there a way to do this? An easy way?
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Thanks from
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[email protected]

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However, it appears that Logic Pro might be able to do it, as of 7.1.
Here's Google's cache of the 7.1 notes for Pro
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Used Finale several years ago before I upgraded to OS 10 and Logic 7.2 Express. I recently opened one of my .mid files from Finale and it played back fine but when I tried to see the score in the Score Editor it was altered and only some of the notes were visible - even though they all played and were obviously "there" using other views such as Matrix or Event Editors!
(The score in question still displays perfectly in Finale - the keyboard part in question has some large chord blocks that "build" but the build doesn't show in Score Editor - but the notes are "there and playing" - but it makes it hard to edit or follow in Score Editor.
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The first be-triangled panel has a "syncopation" option. Toggle that and see what it does. Read the manual for how it decides what to do here. More importantly note your Quantize toggle there. This quantize is not for how the sequence sounds, but how it displays. Change it one of the more likely defaults 16,24 and you'll get one level of precision. Set it to 8,12 and you'll get another. Set it to 4 and you get nothing but quarter notes and half-notes.
Read the manual for the myriad details, but hacking through the options may get you to what you intended.
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-- Gerry

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I use the notation part of logic a lot and have can't get chord symbols to line up and take the space they need when there are no actual notes within that bar. So for example I want to print a chord sheet along with a stave but no notation. Logic places the chords in such a way as to be confusing and messy to the reader. Is there a trick? There usually is. Thanks

Hi
One solution could be to adjust the "max. number of bars per line" (in Page view):
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HTH
CCT

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This is an L8 problem. If I open an identical document in L7 I do not get these long lines
This is a snapshot of a PDF printed by the Score Editor to desk top. If I print the part direct from Logic 8 the same problem occurs

Hi Brett - the answer to this issue was originally given by Rohan Stevenson on Logic Pro Help. No one answered it here.
The long ledger lines are due to use of Third Party fonts. Look in Logic Preferences>Score Preferences and you will see a box which asks if you want to use 3rd Party fonts ( in my case Sonata was available). As soon as I unchecked this box, the problem disappeared.
Check out the original thread:
http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=32992&highlight=score+editor
All best
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