Score Editor: double bar

Hi,
I need to divide a measure in the middle of a song
(in a 2/4 time signature) with a double bar:
| quarter note || quarter note | half note | half
note | etc.
|: bar
||: double bar
Is it possible to do this?
Thanks.
Yes, Juat drag a double bar symbol from the part box (keeping an eye on the help tag) to the beginning of the appropriate measure.
It is global btw and willl appear on all parts.

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I'm transcribing pop songs with a lot of 8 bar repeats. How can I insert a multiple bar repeat symbol into my score? I only see the 1 and 2 bar repeat symbols and I can't even really get those to work for me either.

Indeed - this is something I have really missed in the Logic Score editor for basic arrangements of pop/jazz etc
It is very common to have a multi bar repeat which is not just 1 or 2 bars - 4 bar & 8 would be especially useful in many situations where there is a groove going and you just need a drummer or bass player to keep a chord progression or riff that is obvious.
It would enable one to reduce the number of pages for the part
PS Just to add - notwithstanding Ski's helpful input - that what is need is the capacity to do fill in an actually number above the bars where the two bar repeat is. This very common convention of arrangers is just not available in Logic - and it should be.
If you take Guy's example above, it would mean you could condense the part and not have loads and loads of repeated 2 bar segments. And also ...
.. you would not want to add extra repeat signs etc because you would want the other instrument parts ( ie with more complicated content melody lines perhaps) to be longer - and have the same repeat signs on each part.
In other words, the rhythm section is playing a groove which repeats and the soloist or other instruments are doing other stuff on top of it.
It is in rhythm section parts that I really miss the capacity to add numbers above the repeated two bar sign
Hope this makes sense
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How do you draw a simple tie in the score editor window of Logic Pro 10 ; two quarter notes together, an eighth up-beat accross a bar line into the next measure etc? I can't find the answer in videos, help manual. Please give a step by step how to do it.
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CCT

Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
I don't want to do this by going over to the "Length" dialog on the left because I hate having to switch from thinking in terms of music notation and then having to think (temporarily) in MIDI ticks per beat, etc.
I must admit that I'm finding it extremely frustrating to simply enter music into Logic in a score....I thought this was supposed to be one of its strengths but it seems to be providing amazing capabilities at the expense of ease of use for beginners.

dhjdhj wrote:
I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
greetings dh... are you into Key Commands? There are two which will help you do the above in a trice:
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• Nudge Region/Event Length Left by SMPTE Frame
I set mine to the simple letter o and n
- I click on a note and press o repeatedly.. it grows and grows longer and longer
– I click on a note and press n repeatedly.. it shrinks and shrinks shorter and shorter
All by little increments
If you keep a Piano Roll window open while you do this, you can see the length do this exactly
man, it is VERY quick and handy for changing the length of notes
It really helps to have a view of the midi Piano Roll to cross check the exact length and position of the notes.
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• Set Next Higher division
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2 • Nudge Region/Event Position Left by Nudge Value
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[img]http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture4.png[/img]
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i should be enjoying my holiday but i couldn't help myself...
there are a couple of fixes for this.
first, try cutting the regions somewhere to force a redraw.
second, if no form of cutting or reformatting works, try copy and pasting the midi into a fresh autoload on the intel.
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I am trying to tie two notes of different pitch, using the method of extending the duration of a first note to lap over the second. While this produces a tie and an extended or (sort of) legato sound if the notes are the same pitch, and produces a proper graphic tie in the score editor, it does not do this when I attempt to tie two notes of different pitches. In that case, a tie is produced by the Score Editor, but the extended duration first note is duplicated in the second note position, along with the original second note—so three notes tied! Clearly this is not what I want. It occurred to me that this method of extending the first note's duration was doing exactly the same thing when the notes are the same, but I don't see it show up in the editor.
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Here, I've extended the first note in the top pair, to get
the tie, but as you see it duplicated the note in the
second position too, and of course changed the sound
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Most instruments can only manage a slur between notes of different pitches... on a brass instrument it's using a different valve fingering with out tonguing the note but there's still a slight bump with the new fingering. The exception of course is the trombone, because of a slide that can actually glissando between notes. Valve instruments can bend and half-valve notes but that a special technique. A piano or organ can't do what you describe... orchestral string instruments (as well as fretless electric bass) can but that's a function of the instrument and is usually written as a slur with bowing instructions.
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deb1806 wrote:
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Hi Everyone
Hope you're all keeping well. Please can some one help to explain how to insert a quaver note on a staff at the beginning of a bar or on the first beat of the bar with a minim on the same beat beneath it, I do know how to use the separation tool but I am having difficulty writing a quaver on the first beat instead I keep getting a crotchet. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it take care.
Tumahawk.

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i) ie the Song Position Line.. get used to placing this exactly in the bar where you want to insert a note.
ii) Also the Event Editor: if you drag a note from the side of the score editor you need to look at the Event Editor to see exactly where you are placing it.
iii) If you are using a midi keyboard to input the notes, then you need to set up key commands that would make the SPL move by the right increments, ie shift SPL a quaver, a crotchet etc.. and become familiar with the Key Command that shifts the SPL etc
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Note length in Score Editor

This seems like a simple task with a simple solution, but I cannot figure it out. I am adding notes using the score editor rather than the piano roll and I want to change the rhythm of a certain measure. For example lets say I have 4 quarter notes in a measure and later on I change my mind and say I want 3 quarter notes and two 8th notes. Or maybe I want to change the length of a quarter note to a dotted quarter note and then add an 8th note. Is there an easy way to do this without deleting the entire contents of that measure. I have tried increasing and decreasing the length/info in the event list, but maybe I am doing it wrong cause nothing changes? I am new to logic, especially the score editor so any help would be appreciated.
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Hi
There are a few peculiarities when working in the Score Editor.
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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
Alternatively, you could open the integrated HyperEditor in the Score window: you can't edit lengths there, but you can see them, and edit them using the Length parameter in the Inspector. However - if you do this, your edits won't be updated graphically until you release your mouse, and the method isn't very useful for editing notes played at the same time.
If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
http://www.studio-central.com/images/notate2.gif

Score Editor: disappearing chord symbols

Very annoyingly, after inserting chord symbols with the chord tool, the chord symbols have suddenly started disappearing after I TAB out of them to move to the next bar, or they disappear as soon as I click somewhere else to de-select.
I cannot tell if this is a bug ( though I suspect it is) or some element of the score editor I am unaware of.
After the chord disappears and I re-insert it. Same thing happens.
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In the last day I have re-read the entire chapter on the Score Editor manual but there is no reference to the ORANGE PADLOCKS which seem to appear at random .. tantalisingly offering hope of *remembering the individual part layout* .. which is my biggest time wasting bugbear.
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-- Gerry

Printing in Score Editor

Hello everyone, new here.
I am a new Logic Pro 8 user, and recently I arranged and mixed a composition in Logic Pro. The thing is that when I "Select all" the tracks and go to Score Editor, it only shows one track (and only a part of it, if the track's music is divided in multiple parts). I really don't know what to do, as I have a deadline for next week. If someone could please show me a quick tutorial on preparing and printing the scores, I would be very grateful. (The Getting Started tutorial didn't help me that much) So basically, all I need is to insert the title and the instrumentation on the score and then select it all and print it.
Thank you for your time guys, have a nice day.

a quick crash course:
the score editor is the easiest part of logic to master provided, 1) you are musically literate, and 2) you understand some very simple core concepts.
but before that just to get you going (look up any terms i use):
1. you need to make sure that content catch (the link button) is grey. if you still don't see your full score then click the arrow next to it.
2. as matter of simplicity, it is easier if you name your audio object (now called control strip) the name of the instrument you want to have appear as the name in your score.
3. you need to look in view/page display options/ and select show margins. then you can see where you have to drag your title to.
the core concepts:
*instrument sets and staff styles.*
the instrument set displays your score, section and parts. set a KC (key command) for 'create instrument set from selection.' now, when you have the staves highlighted in the All Instruments view, it will make a score out of your selected instruments. imagine you had a string quartet and some midi instruments. you only want to display the string quartet as a score, so you select those staves and hit the KC. now you will have a score only of the strong quartet.
this goes further...you can then edit sections of a full orchestra...and finally you should make an instrument set for each part you want to print. ie if you were printing the clarinet part it would be a set with just the clarinet in it.
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final core concept - MIDI.
don't trust your eyes!!!! only trust midi information when placing things in your score. always ensure that when you insert something in the score that it is in the right midi position. here i am talking about text and various score markings you drag from the partbox.
here are the KC's you absolutely need to have for work in the score editor:
1. create instrument set from selection. you should use this a lot!
2. open staff style editor.
3. open instrument set editor. edit your instrument set so that it looks right is scaled properly etc. when using the logic default score styles, i recommend setting your parts for printing to no more than 85%. any more and the writing is unnecessarily big.
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_Global Format_
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