Score editor inserting notes.

Hi Everyone
Hope you're all keeping well. Please can some one help to explain how to insert a quaver note on a staff at the beginning of a bar or on the first beat of the bar with a minim on the same beat beneath it, I do know how to use the separation tool but I am having difficulty writing a quaver on the first beat instead I keep getting a crotchet. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it take care.
Tumahawk.

There are two questions here: i) regarding the size of the note, quaver/crotchet etc ... depends on how the Score settings are displayed. Best thing is to read the manual if you want to do this in the Score Editor there are so many ways to do it and you need to get familiar with a couple of regular operations.
i) ie the Song Position Line.. get used to placing this exactly in the bar where you want to insert a note.
ii) Also the Event Editor: if you drag a note from the side of the score editor you need to look at the Event Editor to see exactly where you are placing it.
iii) If you are using a midi keyboard to input the notes, then you need to set up key commands that would make the SPL move by the right increments, ie shift SPL a quaver, a crotchet etc.. and become familiar with the Key Command that shifts the SPL etc
However if you just want to insert a note and drag it to the right size then the best place is the Matrix editor where you can see exactly how long the note length is... though the display of the note also depends on what your score settings are, so you may put in a quaver and if the Score Style show only crotchets, it will display a quaver as a crotchet.
Regarding your second question about putting a minim on the same beat of the bar below a quaver.. you will need to explore the concept of Polyphonic voices and assign the line with the minim to a different midi channel
This may all sound a bit complicated but the more familiar you get with the basics of the Score Editor the easier it will get

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But if you have the patience to explore the Score Editor, read on for you will find that never has a feature of Logic been shunned by so many and loved by so few.
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