Score Editor: Orange Padlocks

In the last day I have re-read the entire chapter on the Score Editor manual but there is no reference to the ORANGE PADLOCKS which seem to appear at random .. tantalisingly offering hope of *remembering the individual part layout* .. which is my biggest time wasting bugbear.
They appear at random when you open the Score Set of a Part - I make Score Sets out of each individual part in the hope of layout security
But they dont appear when you just open an individual part from the Arrange window
If someone could explain exactly how they work I would be seriously grateful
M S

Okay, gleaning one hint each time--this time your use of the word "layout tool"--I've finally managed to create a padlock on the page. See manual pg. 805. I moved a bar from one line to the next, in theory because I need more space on the "from" line for a handful of appoggiaturas. Once done, I have a padlock appearing on the "from" line. This is the same as the display example indicated, though not explained in the text. Since I forced a format change "locking" that activity to that staff, I assume this is the intended significance of the padlock.
So to your original post: You now have a visual reference to the orange padlock and and an assumed indication of it's intent: It reminds you that this line is "locked" to special indication of bars requested.
On to your implied questions then: Remembering the individual part layout. Can you walk me through a simple scenario by which you configure a part layout, or point me to one in the manual, and then indicate how it doesn't stick? I might well discover it on my own, but it would take less time to assume I've encountered your exact dilemma.
As a caveat, I notice in the forum at www.logic-users-group, in response to my question about one aspect of score display, another user cited notable list of "broken" stuff in the scoring process of Logic. Everything about his screed indicated it is the source of some pretty long-term angst. I don't intend to bum you out, but it might be one of the "bugs" he's referred to. You might confer with that crew.
Good luck!
-- Gerry

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