Score rounding in LMS
We have just upgraded to Captivate 5 (from 3) and are having an issue with our scores not rounding (gives score with several decimals). We can't seem to find a setting that will fix this. Can anyone help?
We are still having this problem. It works correctly on the files that were created in captivate 3. But, anything that was created or edited in 5 shows the score rounded/whole number on the review screen but shows it as a number with lots of decimal places ( example: 71.2566912569).
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Captivate3 score transmission to LMS not working in Firefox
We are experiencing a troubling problem with Captivate 3 quiz scores not transmitting to the LMS when using Firefox. The exact same functionality works perfectly in IE. We have narrowed it down to a TIMING problem for how quickly data is passed to the LMS, which differs by browser, and we would like to know if anyone has a solution (other than telling users only to use IE --- not an option).
Using Firefox:
When you finish the course quiz, the score is calculated and reported correctly within Captivate. When you exit the course immediately after that, a PARTIAL score is reported to the LMS, it is almost always incorrect, and it varies from session to session. For example, if you scored 100% (and Captivate told you that), the completion status and score will show up in the LMS as 20%, 30%, or some small percentage that is less than a passing grade and definitely less than 100%.
The critical thing we've noticed is that Captivate will take a long time (almost 3 minutes!) while it sits and processes data at the end of the quiz, on the Results screen. You can see the cursor reacting, which is a visual cue that processing is still happening. If you wait for that processing to finish and THEN check your score in the LMS, *amazingly* it is correct (100%). But if you exit the course normally, without waiting 3 minutes to return to the LMS, your score will not be correctly reported. So... why is there this lag, and why is it reporting ANY score at all if processing is still occurring, as opposed to a zero score? What is it processing that takes so long and when is it sending what to the LMS?? This gets even more interesting when you see how it works in a different browser...
Using IE:
There is no processing lag and never a problem. All scores are reported correctly and immediately when you exit the course and go to the LMS.
We have been trying to isolate the problem and figure out why Firefox handles this differently than IE and what we can do to fix it.
I have stripped the lesson down to only 10 interactions (clickables) that are included in the Quiz score. All other objects are set to 0, and not included in the quiz. Advanced Interaction map verifies a clean slate.
Quiz Reporting is set to:
Enable reporting (checked)
SCORM version 1.2
80% = passing grade
Report Pass or Fail = Status as defined by report data
Report Data = Quiz Results Only
Report Score to LMS = Percent
Reporting Level = Report Score (I'm not reporting or tracking interactions)
Our LMS is Pathlore.
Does anyone have any ideas what is going on with Captivate vs. Firefox and what we can do to make score reporting behave properly?
Thanks!Hi Ginnycr,
I'm experiencing the same issue with Captivate 4 and it looks like this problem has been around for quite some time now. Have a look at this link:
http://www.koma-medien.de/elearning/forum/archive/index.php/t-1140.html
at the bottom of the thread someone posts this:
"The slow issue is resolved when I force the g_intAPIType to 0 (into the
<project>.htm file), so it force Captivate to communicate as if it was into IE."
Try it out and see if it works? I'll test on my end too. Hopefully one of us will come up with a solution! (or one of the nice Captivate experts on this forum will jump in and rescue us) -
Reporting scores to SCORM LMS?
I've create some quizes in captivate made them scorm compliant by doing:
Edit->Preferences->Quiz->Reporting
Then checking Quiz: Enable reporting for this project
Under Learning Management System( LMS ):
chose Standard: Scorm, Manifest Template: Default
Report Status:
Complete/Incomplete
Report to LMS as:
Score
Choose Report Data:
Quiz Results Only
Reporting Level:
Report Score
I our LMS it sends the LMSInitialize Message, but never sends a LMSSetValue when the quiz if finished.
Is there something else I need to do to a quiz in order to report the score?Test. Shows that there is a reply. I just can't see it yet.
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Captivate 5 not Reporting Quiz scores correctly in LMS
Our organization is transitioning to Captivate 5 from Captivate 4. We are using SumTotal as our LMS. I took a CP4 project and converted to CP5, then uploaded it as a test. The results were dismaying.
Captivate 5 Scorm 1.2 apprears to send scores to the LMS instead of scaled scores. For example; If you have 20 questions the scaled score should always be 0 to 100.
In the example I converted from Captivate 4, I have 15 quiz questions. In my first try I scored 60% on the Quiz. Captivate reported to the LMS a percentage complete of 0 and a score of 90%. In my second attempt I scored 80% (which is required for passing from within the Quiz setup) and Captivate reported to the LMS 100% complete and a score of 100%.
I repeat, all worked fine with the same course published as Captivate 4.
I work for a very large multinational company. This is a killer for us if we want to go forward with Captive 5. In fact, I have just spent a lot of money upgrading everyone in my department - money wasted if we can't use the output with our LMS.
Does anyone have any ideas, and is there a way to get to someone at Adobe if this forum is unable to provide answers?
Sorry to sound panicked, but I guess I am.
FrankHi all
You're absolutely right. Adobe silence is extremely unsatisfactory and unprofessional. Below are the email correspondences. Does anyone know who are the President or the CEO and the email address? I think it’s about time to find out why from the top man himself.
Best regards... Flavian
From: Flavian Lim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010 12:00 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: FW: Quizzing related forum posts?????
Importance: High
Hi Vish
Please furnish me with your updates immediately.
Best regards... Flavian
From: Flavian Lim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, 12 September, 2010 8:18 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: FW: Quizzing related forum posts
Hi Vish
Any updates? My timeline is behind schedule.
Thanks & regards... Flavian
From: Flavian Lim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, 10 September, 2010 1:24 AM
To: 'Shivaswamy Viswanath'
Subject: RE: Quizzing related forum posts
Hi Vish
Thanks for following up the issues. Attached, please find the files requested.
Hope it helps.
Best regards... Flavian
From: Shivaswamy Viswanath [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, 9 September, 2010 11:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Quizzing related forum posts
Hello Flavian,
Can you share the cptx file with us?
Thanks,
Vish
From: Flavian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:17 PM
To: Shivaswamy Viswanath
Subject: Re: Quizzing related forum posts
Hi Vish
Yes, they are all checked.
Please revert soonest.
Thanks... Flavian
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Shivaswamy Viswanath <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:48:38 +0530
To: [email protected]<[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Quizzing related forum posts
Hello Flavian,
Looks like the interaction data for the question is not captured. Can you please check whether ‘Report Answer’ option is checked in ‘REPORTING’ accordion of Quiz PI for all question slides? If not, can please enable this option and check it out?
Thanks,
Vish
From: Flavian Lim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:17 PM
To: Shivaswamy Viswanath
Subject: RE: Quizzing related forum posts
Hi Vish
Attached, please find a copy of the student record file as requested.
Thanks & regards... Flavian
From: Shivaswamy Viswanath [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September, 2010 2:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Suresh Jayaraman
Subject: RE: Quizzing related forum posts
Hello Flavian,
Thanks for the reply. Regarding the thread Captivate 5 not Reporting Quiz scores correctly in LMS we would like to investigate further. Can you share those XML files with us? It can be found in Wamp Server, captivate results folder. Can you please zip it and send it to us?
Thanks,
Vish
From: Flavian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Shivaswamy Viswanath
Subject: Re: Quizzing related forum posts
Hi Vish
The configuration is exactly as described in the Adobe help. Both the quiz and Wampserver is on the same machine. The rest is as per stated on the forum thread.
By looking at the results of the Cp5 Quiz Results Analyzer, does it make any sense? The statistics doesn't fit in at all.
Appreciate your interest in this issue. Hope we can work towards resolving this issue.
Best regards... Flavian
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Shivaswamy Viswanath <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:39:40 +0530
To: [email protected]<[email protected]>
Cc: Suresh Jayaraman<[email protected]>
Subject: Quizzing related forum posts
Hello There,
This is Vish from Adobe Captivate Team at Adobe. I have observed multiple threads from you on the issues you are facing with Quizzing feature. I thought of mailing you to know the issues you are facing so that I could look at them. Can you please mail me those issues and if possible few sample files too?
Thanks,
Vish -
Captivate 3 Not Reporting Scores to TEDS LMS
Hello Everyone,
Thanks for taking a moment to read through this.
I'm trying to build a course in Cap-3, using the TEDS LMS (SCORM 1.2).
The course runs fine, but is not sending the scores to our LMS. I'm not the *most* techincal of folks, but I want to exhaust my troubleshooting first.
Here's what I've tried.
First:
Screen shot of the repeated failures (quiz is a generic 2 question quiz):
It's a little hard to see, basically it shows my three quiz results with "Failed" after each.
Each time I took the quiz, I passed with 100%. I set the pass threshold to 80.
Here are the steps I've taken so far:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/122880#122880
Attempted steps in PDF, adjusting HTML to increase SCORM API load time
Adjusted HTML to comment out one line
Added a blank button slide
http://forums.adobe.com/message/751946#751946
Attempted to change quiz information to the following:
-Complete/Incomplete
-Quiz Results Only
-Score
-Report Score (And Report Score and Interactions)
Same Forum:
Added a button on a new slide that executed LMSFinish() javascript.
All tests result in a failed result.
I know there's a lot of other technical tests I can run, but basically my only options right now are to modify things in Captivate and upload new tests to TEDS FTP.
If you feel I've exhausted all my options, I understand!
Thanks for your assistance.
Paul TrivelyI've not lookede through the previous thread, but you've done variations on the settings?
You have tried Pass/Fail instead of Complete/Incomplete? Generally, if you want a score to show, you need to use Pass/Fail. That's not always true, but a score is generally not associated with Complete/Incomplete in SCORM 1.2 (in my understanding).
Have you tried the lesson through any test suite outside the LMS itself? That'd be my next step. The ADL Test Suite is the 'offical' tool for such testing but isn't very user friendly. Otherwise I'd suggest Rustici's Test Track
http://www.scorm.com/scorm-solved/test-track/
or the Reload Editor (which I've not used and am not 100% sure is for SCORM validation)
http://www.reload.ac.uk
Run the lesson through some SCORM tester and see if the values passed are what you expect. If not, change the settings, publish, and test again. A lot more efficient, hopefully, than going through the LMS itself and allows you to possibly determine an LMS issue over a lesson issue.
HTH
Erik -
Cap 2 not passing Score Data to LMS
Has anyone run into a problem with CAP 2 failing to pass the
cmi.core.score.raw value to an LMS? All other completion info seems
to be going fine and the quiz manager and Advanced interactions
screen look good. AM I missing something?KB in FL,
Typically, it's because your LMS isn't following the SCORM
standard. You
can try to send the score as "Percent" and see if that helps.
Otherwise,
here's what's *supposed* to happen...
Captivate queries the LMS for what "core" children it
supports. Captivate
makes a call similar to:
LMSGetValue("cmi.core._children");
The LMS is supposed to respond with a comma-delimted string
of all of the
core values it supports
e.g.
"student_id,student_name,lesson_location,lesson_status,score,session_time..."
(Please note, this is only a subset of the string that
*could* be returned)
If the LMS doesn't return any values - then Captivate will
not send any
values to the LMS. Captivate only returns data for the values
that the LMS
supports. Did you notice the "score" value, in the string
above? Well -
that doesn't mean that the LMS supports *all* score values -
because
Captivate is then supposed to query the LMS for what "SCORE"
values it
supports:
LMSGetValue("cmi.core.score._children");
The LMS is supposed to return a string that contains
something similar to:
"raw,max,min"
If the LMS doesn't return the "raw" value - then the raw
score isn't sent to
the LMS.
I could validate this with a debug file I have laying
around...
http://www.learningconsulting.com/content/macromedia/captivate/Capviate_SCORM_Debug.zip
Run that file through your LMS and send me screen shots of
the dialogs that
appear at the end:
Andrew AT LearningConsulting DOT com
If it is what I think it is - Captivate can workaround this
non-compliant
LMS.
Regards,
Andrew -
Captivate 4 Scores and Solo LMS
My initial attemps at publishing a Captivate 4 test module to the Solo LMS using SCORM 1.2 have been unsuccessful. Specifically, the score does NOT update when the module is complete. (In the Solo LMS the module status shows as complete but the score does not update.)
Has anyone else run into this problem? Thoughts / suggestions?We're using Solo as well and after speaking with Solo support, at least in our case, the scores are not there because we are not using Solo's site to gernerate the quizzes and tests.
We use Capitivate and all I can get to show on Solo's site is either "Completed" "Incomplete" or "100% Completed" depending on how I set it up in Captivate, but Solo never reports the actual score (i.e. 70%, 80%, etc.). My settings in Captivate are nearly the same as in your post.
Steve -
Flash quiz score tracking on LMS?
I m creating quiz in flash with socring. i want to upload it on LMS, i want to track my score on LMS. please help me with the same. thanks!
Try turning off bookmarking.
Turn off Self-Paced Learning in the TOC settings by unticking this option
This may not fix the issue for users that have already taken the course because the bookmark is actually a Flash Shared Object and these are not that easy to erase. Try it with a new user that hasn't done the course yet.
If the problem persists, you could also try turing off Resume Data to stop the LMS's own bookmarking.
To do this, you have to tick the option in LMS Customisation to Never Send Resume Data. -
I entered this topic several weeks ago and didn't get an
answer. So, I thought I would try again.
We have several quizzes that were created in Captivate 1. We
recently randomized the questions using Captivate 3. Everything
works correctly in Captivate but our LMS is only capturing part of
the interactions. Here's an example:
Quiz Results Screen shows 100% (40 out of 40 correct)
LMS captures 35 out of 40 which gives the user a score of
87.5
I checked the advanced interactions for each of the buttons
and click boxes. Everything is set correctly. The Quiz Results
screen in Catpivate calculates correctly but somehow the results
don't transfer to the LMS. Inquisix said that Scorm 1.2 only allows
4096 characters to be gathered and suggested I switch to Scorm
2004. I did and the LMS still doesn't get all of the results.
Inquisix is supposedly talking to one of the Captivate
Programmers about the issue but they are on vacation until 1/7/08.
Any body else have any ideas?I believe this is an issue with CP3 only sending so much data
per every
couple of seconds. If you have a lot of questions, it can't
'keep up'
and by the time you've finished the test, the CP3 file hasn't
sent all
of the quiz data yet.
Perhaps an easy workaround would be to add a few pages to the
end of the
lesson - a summary of the course, perhaps contact
information, maybe a
screen of other resources they can check. If the above theory
is the
cause, those extra pages might give the lesson the extra time
it needs
to send the remaining data while the user goes through those
sections.
This method of sending data that CP3 is using is likely in
response to
previous problems where it was sending much larger chunks
much faster,
which was causing problems with various LMS products (too
much, too
fast). It seems now the problem has shifted to the other side
(too
little, too slow). Maybe by CP4 they'll get it right! Or at
least
provide developers to select their own timing options.
Technically, the LMS you're referring to is 'Inquisiq', I'd
guess ;-)
Erik
RhondaKiser wrote:
> We have several quizzes that were created in Captivate
1. We recently
> randomized the questions using Captivate 3. Everything
works correctly in
> Captivate but our LMS is only capturing part of the
interactions. Here's an
> example:
>
> Quiz Results Screen shows 100% (40 out of 40 correct)
> LMS captures 35 out of 40 which gives the user a score
of 87.5
>
> I checked the advanced interactions for each of the
buttons and click boxes.
> Everything is set correctly. The Quiz Results screen in
Catpivate calculates
> correctly but somehow the results don't transfer to the
LMS. Inquisix said
> that Scorm 1.2 only allows 4096 characters to be
gathered and suggested I
> switch to Scorm 2004. I did and the LMS still doesn't
get all of the results.
Erik Lord
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Send Flash Score to Plateau LMS
Does anyone know how to send a score to the Plateau LMS from
Flash?
On frame 2, in my Actions pane, I have:
fscommand("CMIInitialize");
fscommand("MM_cmiSetLessonStatus", "i");
On frame 47, in my Actions pane, I have:
fscommand("MM_cmiSetLessonStatus", "c");
fscommand("CMISetScore", "100");
fscommand("CMIFinish");
fscommand("CMIExitAU");
However, when it gets to Frame 2 it shows me the Flash
content, and
opens a browser window that says "The page cannot be
displayed..."
In the address field, the file is showing PwsAicc, even
though I don't
have a file with that name.
I've been gleaning little bits and pieces from this newsgroup
on how
to do it, but it doesn't seem to be working for me.
Any help would be GREAT!
JimDoes anyone know how to send a score to the Plateau LMS from
Flash?
On frame 2, in my Actions pane, I have:
fscommand("CMIInitialize");
fscommand("MM_cmiSetLessonStatus", "i");
On frame 47, in my Actions pane, I have:
fscommand("MM_cmiSetLessonStatus", "c");
fscommand("CMISetScore", "100");
fscommand("CMIFinish");
fscommand("CMIExitAU");
However, when it gets to Frame 2 it shows me the Flash
content, and
opens a browser window that says "The page cannot be
displayed..."
In the address field, the file is showing PwsAicc, even
though I don't
have a file with that name.
I've been gleaning little bits and pieces from this newsgroup
on how
to do it, but it doesn't seem to be working for me.
Any help would be GREAT!
Jim -
Coursebuilder - Sending a score to an LMS
Hello Forum members,
I am fairly new to Dreamweaver/Coursebuilder and am charge of
validating this in an LMS (Plateau). I created a site in
Dreamweaver and using Coursebuilder placed 2 questions on 1 html
page. I believe I have selected the proper settings within the
questions. I am wondering how to add the scores of these questions
and make sure that if someone scores a certain percentage on this
test, they can submit their results (in a percentage format) to the
LMS, otherwise, if the user scores below the required percentage,
they are required to retake this test. My guess is that I need to
place a button on a the page that has some kind of javascript
behind it (totalscore...).
I already have instructions on how to package the SCO for an
LMS. I am just missing this middle part.
Any help is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Tx-
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How do you get a percentage score in the LMS using SCORM 2004 and CP6?
I am having two issues since I upgraded to CP6. When I select Track Data at End, the courses never scores as complete in the LMS - it worked great in CP5.5.
Also, in CP6 there is no option to record the score as a percentage using SCORM 2004, so all I get is Complete or Incomplete - I could get percentages in CP 5.5
Does anyone have any ideas or advice? Am I doing something wrong here?
I am using GreenLight from Silkroad for the LMS.
Regards,
KevinHerald, fantastic news. SET LONG did the trick.
But I had to put a very big value. 32000 was not enough. Otherwise some of the triggers (big ones) got cut off.
This is my complete code which did it.
SPOOL F:\Channa\zz_zzTemp\Binuka\OutPut.txt
set trimspool on
set pages 0
set long *1000000000*
set linesize 32767
SET TERMOUT OFF
SELECT DBMS_METADATA.GET_DDL('TRIGGER', TRIGGER_NAME, 'ABS')
FROM ALL_TRIGGERS
WHERE OWNER = 'ABS' AND trigger_name NOT LIKE 'BIN$%'
SPOOL OUT
THANKS A LOT. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
P.S: I had to include the NOT LIKE 'BIN$%' in the where clause because otherwise I got this error:
ERROR:
ORA-31603: object *"BIN$cqXDSqghrFngQKjAJAovgw==$0"* of type TRIGGER not found in
schema "ABS"
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_SYS_ERROR", line 105
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_METADATA", line 2805
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_METADATA", line 4333
ORA-06512: at line 1
no rows selected
I THINK BIN$... triggers are dropped triggers in the DB recycle bin???
Edited by: Channa on Feb 17, 2010 2:58 AM
Edited by: Channa on Feb 17, 2010 3:01 AM -
I am working with Captivate 3.0 and an LMS and am having a
bit of a problem that might be a Captivate setting.
I have a lesson that is a bit long, about 45 slides. On every
slide are 2 user interactions that have a point value, both
interactions are click boxes. Each click box is assigned to send
“point” values to the LMS. Each has a point value of
“1” (total number of points for all click boxes is 90).
Each click box moves the user to the next slide.
I have set the LMS to “pass” the user if they
have an accumulation of 45 points. The intent is to ensure each
slide is viewed by the student for however long they need.
If the user stays in the lesson this works well, however if
the user has to leave the lesson early (I have an
“exit” button that closes the browser window) there
doesn’t seem to be a score set in the LMS. There are no
points at all.
I would like the user to be able to go back into the lesson,
take the remainder of lesson, get an accumulated score of 45and
“pass” the lesson.
Is this possible using standard Captivate settings, or do I
need to modify the close browser window button to send a score to
the LMS?
Thank you,
TPKI don't think that is possible to do with Captivate. That
would require Captivate to send the score to the LMS from each
slide and not as it is now on completion (the quiz result slide).
Perhaps it would be possible to do some sort of "hack" with a
flash file/actionscript, but it will be really complicated. The
flash file would need to retrieve the score from Captivate on each
slide and store it in the LMS. When your user has reached the 45
points the flash file would send a "sco completion" call to the
LMS. You would also need to make some checks in the flash file so
that when the user restarts the course then the "progress" isn't
overwritten by a lower number again.
In my company we do it a different way. We have a simple
flash file sending the completed status to the LMS on the last page
of the course.
The actionscript it self is -
How can I keep my Cap 7 file from sending a 0 score to LMS?
I have a Captivate 7 file for a training program. The file includes some question slides for knowledge check/review purposes - however, we don't want the file to send a score (not even a 0 score) to our LMS. We only want the LMS to reflect whether the user completed the course file or not. So in each question slide, I set Quiz Properties to show 0 points 0 penalty and de-selected the Report Answers box. I then set the Publish Settings to these (shots below) to prevent any score from being passed through - however, the file is still passing a 0 score to the LMS.
So I tried just removing the question slides altogether and replacing them with regular slides that I programmed to mimic question slide functionality, but that didn't work either. I was told to check all buttons/click boxes to ensure that none of them was producing any type of "report" to LMS, but none of them are set to report anything. Can anyone spot what I'm doing wrong? Will very much appreciate any advice anyone can give! Thanks!http://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1565/en_US/iphone_user_guide.pdf
Read the user guide -
SCORM file in LMS showing score
I have a captivate 4 file that has quiz slides but they are designed to be knowledge checks and not scoreable. However, when I publish the SCORM file to my LMS, after completing the presentation, the LMS is showing a score. Does anyone know how to set the captivate program to NOT show a final score in an LMS?
Thanks
TracyHello,
Do you really want to have something reported to the LMS? If I'm not wanting anything to be reported, I will not choose publish to a SCORM-object but upload a package (zipped) and ask the LMS to unzip and start from the HTML-file. I'm not sure if this functionality is available for each LMS.
If you want a reporting, you could choose Slide views instead of score to report?
Lilybiri
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