SCSI HD and OS9

I installed X, but not 9, on my new HD. Now it won't recognize my external SCSI HD. The external SCSI HD worked w/my old HD, which had 9 AND X. Must I do a clean install of 9, then X? Or? A clean install of 9 and X is much work, w/saving files to a Zip SCSI drive (which works now, without 9), downloading and configuring various apps, eg, Firefox, and re-registering(?) at various sites and maybe other tasks as well. Is there a workaround (so I can access the important files saved to my external SCSI HD before the crash) to avoid the clean install, etc?

K Shaffer
The issue may be due to OS 9 Drivers not being present on the drive
in question,
Thats what I said was the problem
but even in OS X Disk Utility you should be able to see
an attached hard disk drive even if it won't load to the desktop.
DU does not see the backup.
Or it may appear in System Profiler as something attached to the Mac.
Nope.
The hardware may be listed while drivers for it could be lacking; but
if the drivers are missing, that generally is a low-level installation and
a full reinstall (or copy/clone) of the system again would be required.
If you have a backup of the system, you could wipe the drive, reformat
if necessary, and install correct drivers; then bring back the system
from a backup source. OS X requires dealing with disk images and
using a utility for clones; or OS X disk utility can work if used correctly.
Im hoping that all that work can be avoided by a reply from the SCSI mfg in which they will say that they also make the drivers and they are downloadable at their site. It would be odd if individual pieces were not available individually.

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