Sculpture CPU hungry?

I'm thinking of upgrading to the studio version just to get Sculpture. But from what I hear Sculpture is CPU hungry.
So how does Logic perform if there are multiple Structure tracks in a project? Does it crash or get really slow?

Hi,
On my machine (see sig) I can play max four (polyphonic) simultaneously, without any other plugin active. logic does not slow down, though both my processors are 100% busy. Logic has never crashed because it was overloaded. It simply stops playback when it overloads, and that simple principle works just fine.
The graphics in Logic do become unresponsive on my machine, when both processors are that busy. However, the 'freeze tracks' function can come to the rescue; it reduces the tracks load on the CPU to near zero.
But anyway, 4 instances on my G4 would equate to about 12 to 16 instances on your iMac (depending on speed). To have that many Sculptures in one piece sounds odd, a bit like a rockband with ten guitarists. But, to answer your question, yes, it is CPU hungry, compared to most other Logic Instruments. Although the EVOC can be a guzzler too. But your iMac will manage, as long as you manage your iMac.
regards, Erik.

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/Ed91/Picture1.png
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It started 20 hrs after purchase when, aften shutting
down, the sleep light apparently came on and
overheated the computer. It could only be turned on
again after taking out the battery. This has
happened 4 times, despite being sure I'm proprerly
signed out and the screen is dark before shutting.
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muclitple colored verticle lines...a call seems to
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being able to access the internet, whether thru
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julian6400 wrote:
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julian6400 wrote:
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