Section Numbering in Header

On a master page, I need the section number and section title to show in a header. I am setting up a template for a multi-section document and making the transition from Word to InDesign templates has been a bit of a leap.
I created a text variable for my Heading 1 style and used it in my header to show the title of the section. For the number, all I could think of was that I needed use a section marker character in the header and had to specify it manually in the Section Marker box in my Numbering & Sections options window.
(1) Is this the only/best way of accomplishing this task?
and while we're talking about the window...
(2) Is entering the Section Prefix manually the only/best way of getting the section number to show in my footer page numbers?

I’m interested in answers to this problem too, and pleased that two of the “top minds” of this forum are on the case...
I’ve had to deal with a similar problem while typesetting Shakespeare plays. Basically, I need a running header on every page that displays the act number and scene number. And it must all go into a single document (rather than an InDesign “book”).
My own “solution” to this problem seems so clunky I hesitate to mention it. I use GREP to add numbers (using invisible character styles) to almost every line. One invisible number is the act number, the other is the scene number. The running header grabs the first occurrences on each page of these two character styles, and displays them at the top of the page -- which is the only place where they are visible.
There simply has to be a better way. Alas, so far I’m unaware of it.
I’ll modestly admit, however, that this method isn’t as bad as it sounds. The invisible numbers add a negligible amount to the size of the document, and it only took about ten minutes to add them to Hamlet, a l-o-n-g play.
But tell me: what is the better way?
Jeremy

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Down bellow the series of screenshots I hope they describe my example well (click on screenshots to enlarge).
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https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4wQz1XhRuysMzhiN2EyYzM tMDdjZS00Yzc3LWIyNTgtODUzZWRhY2MwYjMx&hl=en_US
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