SEM BCS - BPC

Hello All,
Can you please let me know the differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC. What I know is SEM BCS is an SAP product for Financial Consolidation (Legal and Management). SAP BPC is the new product taken over from Outlooksoft. It also features the consolidationa and planning functionalities. Can you please suggest which is a better product.
Regards
Vikram

Hi Vikram
Please use Search Functionality in the forum, there are many threads answering your question.
Based on my experience, in current versions BPC 5.1 has lot of limitations to be used as full consolidation product.
It has good features and will be developed in future releases as complete consoliation product.
From my understanding, till then BCS will only be preferred for consolidation.
Thanks and Regards
Anurag

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SAP BPC Consolidations vs SEM-BCS

Hi all,
Has anyone compared the features/functionalities of SAP BPC Consolidation with SEM-BCS consolidation? What are the advantages of BPC Consolidation over SEM-BCS, and vice-versa? For a brand new implementation, what is the preferred tool?
Thanks,
Sujoy Banerjee

Hi Sujoy,
In general if you are starting out with a new implementation, BPC is the recommended solution for several reasons:
1) It's a unified solution offering both Consolidations and Planning
2) It's designed to be owned and managed by business users, not IT
3) It's integrated with the Enterprise Performance Management for Finance suite, which also includes profitability and strategy management
If however you need support for complex consolidation scenarios, such as legal consolidations, you may want to consider BCS.
You should be able to find several documents comparing the two solutions if you go the Support Center (https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/support) and do a document search on BPC vs. BCS.
Hope this helps.
Chris Clay

Differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC

Hello All,
Can you please let me know the differences between SEM BCS and SAP BPC. What I know is SEM BCS is an SAP product for Financial Consolidation (Legal and Management). SAP BPC is the new product taken over from Outlooksoft. It also features the consolidationa and planning functionalities. Can you please suggest which is a better product.
Regards
Vikram

There is nothing like better or worse product.
BCS has some strong features like consolidation monitor, investment consolidation and for most consolidation functions, configuration is very easy. In BPC, you may have to write scripts.
BCS has BW as the backbone where for BPC 5.1 there is none. Howveer, in BPC 7.0, the BPC will rest on BI and things will be much better.
Ravi Thothadri

Difference between SAP BPC & SEM BCS

Hi Gurus,
What is the difference between SAP BPC & SEM BCS And throw some light on both?
Thanks in Advance,
Sandy.

Hi Sandy,
The functionality in BPC mainly 1) Planning 2) Consolidation
1) Planning : You can have any type planning scenario. Ex.: Sales planning. Based on the actual previous data
we will have some projection reports on the sales for future sales, so we can have planning scenario here . We can change
the projections as per our requirement for any number of times.
Ex 2: HR Planning. Based on the market condition we have recruitment planning, based on the actual data (Existing Emp.)
Ex 3: Accounts Expenditure planning like this we can have planning forecastings.
2) Consolidations : We can consolidate the group company, companies with currency translations, allocations, Inter Unit
eliminations, consolidated P&L accounts & Consolidated Balance Sheets are possible in this.
But where as in BCS you can do only 2 part. The first part is not possible. Hence I personally suggest you to learn BPC NW
it will be more useful. BPC is now going to integrated with BO (Buss. Objects) also from 7.5 ver onwards.
I hope this may help you.
Regards,
B.S.RAGHU

Cartesis Vs SEM BCS Advantages / Disadvantages

Experts
Can somebody guide me, with advantages and disadvantages of implementing Cartesis Vs SEM BCS solution in major business scenarios ?
e.g Comparitive study of these two tools on diffrent business aspects.

This question keeps popping up - doesn't anyone use the 'search' function? - so I'll repeat what I posted, paraphrasing a discussion with a SAP sales director in Australia:
Re: Cartesis solution in SAP portfolio
SAP SEM-BCS is supported until 2013.
but SAP now owns 3 consolidation tools, each is currently valid.
- BCS,
- BPC (from Outlooksoft) and
- Cartesis (from Business Objects) all perform consolidation,
Each has its pros and cons;
- BCS - very good consolidation engine but not so user-friendly.
- BPC - user-friendly but not so good consolidation, also has a non-SAP layout.
- Cartesis - better consolidation engine than BPC but not as good as BCS. More user-friendy than BCS but not as good as BPC, again non-SAP layout.
Although each is currently valid, there will be a combination of the best of all 3 in a new product with a SAP layout (or the same new product will be combined into a new release under the name of an existing product) at a date to be determined.

SEM-BCS vs Hyperion

My client is unable to take a decision on software selection between Hyperion and SEM BCS - 4.0 for consolidations. The company is already implemented SAP -4.6c and wants to go for consolidation implementation. Hence, client is in dilemma for choosing software. Can anybody face the situation where SEM-BCS is superior than Hyperion software. if so, Please forward me the presentation/ comparison to support the SEM-BCS implementation.
thanks
Srini
E-mail : [email protected]

Hello
SEM BCS and ECCS both are consolidation applications of SAP System.
ECCS is based on R/3 where as SEM BCS is based on BW.
There are no special circumstances, however SEM BCS is the latest version. Moreover the recent direction of SAP is towards BPC u2013
Business Planning & Consolidation.
Hope this helps.
Ambadas

Difference SEM-BCS and BO PLanning & Consolidation

Hi all,
as announced in the subject. I was wondering what the difference between SEM-BCS and BO Planning & Consolidation is(so referring to the consolidation part)?
Is BO Planning & Consolidation = BO Planning + SEM BCS
Looking forward to your ideas!
Best regards
Hagen

Hi Collet,
Sorry I have no time to make a full-fledged comparison SEM-BCS and SAP BPC as you asked.
Regarding your last link: very interesting information. Thank you very much.
The citation from the article:
Known Limitations
In SAP BusinessObjects Planning and Consolidation (BPC), organizations (i.e. entities and groups/consolidation scopes) car vary according to Category and Time. However, all the other dimensions are static, which means they have neither category nor time dependency. As a result, the model presented here will use static Profit Center and Intercompany Profit Center dimensions.
Eliminations (so called Automatic Adjustments in BPC) are primarily driven by Legal Entity and Intercompany dimensions. As a result, when it comes to Matrix Consolidation, each elimination will still occur based on this fact. So, basically, an elimination is triggered if both an Entity and the Intercompany entity are being consolidated under the same node (i.e. Group or Consolidation scope). In other words, BPC does not evaluate as such the Profit Center and Intercompany Profit Center dimensions when it comes to performing eliminations. Amounts will be eliminated based on the Legal Entity view. However, it is possible to analyze and group eliminations by Profit Center later on. As a result, Matrix consolidation will heavily leverage the reporting/filtering capabilities of the product.
I'm afraid that in SEM-BCS' sense the Matrix consolidation has much more deep meaning than that presented here.

Consolidation SEM BCS Vs EC CS

Hi All,
Please explain me the difference btween
1. Consolidation SEM BCS and Consolidation EC CS.
2. under what circumstances each SEM BCS or EC CS will be used.
3. if possible plz give an example or a scenario.
thanks in advance. i apperciate for reply.
Regards
Sirisha

Hello
SEM BCS and ECCS both are consolidation applications of SAP System.
ECCS is based on R/3 where as SEM BCS is based on BW.
There are no special circumstances, however SEM BCS is the latest version. Moreover the recent direction of SAP is towards BPC u2013
Business Planning & Consolidation.
Hope this helps.
Ambadas

Migration SEM BCS to BO FC or EPM 8.0

Hello,
is there any actual documentation available when and how there is a migration tool from SEM BCS to FC 7.5 or EPM 8.0 available.
What can be migrated - only data or also customizing?
Finally what is the current status of next generation consolidation tool, when will it be available
k.r. Tjarko

Hello,
Currently, there is no migration tool or documentation available for moving from EC-CS or SEM BCS to BPC or BFC. Introducing BPC or BFC is a completely new project.
The most recent release available to customers is version 7.5. It was made generally available in 2010.
The next release for the existing applications is version 10.0 and it is scheduled for 2011.
Kind regards,
Bernd

Multiple Fiscal Year Variant in the same client in SEM-BCS...

I have already looked at some earlier threads relating to this but didn't get a convincing answer to what I would like to know.
We have had a working SEM-BCS system with fiscal year variant K4. There was no need for defining leading fiscal year variant and none was defined. SAP, by default takes, K4 as the leading fiscal year variant.
Now there is a requirement for going on a different fiscal year variant for which we have created another databasis (there were a few other reasons besides these) with the same InfoObjects that we used earlier but with different fixed parameters, one of which is fisc year variant V9. Soon, we started experiencing bizarre dumps in the configuration which ultimately convinced me to define a leading fiscal year variant. I was reluctant to do so because there is a lot of old data (which will become 'historical' from new data basis point of view) from the working system on K4 that would still need to be reported on even when we have new BCS solution in the new fiscal year variant V9. That is not going away. There is a need to keep the old data for reporting (hence the rationale for a different data basis among a few others).
Since earlier Master Data was configured in the old fisc year variant K4, now I have defined the leading fiscal year variant as V9 so that MDF can appropriately identify the period dependency.
I would like to know if any of you have had an unexpected behavior from the system going forward. Does the system dump out when you try to read the old data (from earlier K4).
I have tried to explain the dilemma as clearly and succinctly as possible but if you need more clarifications, please do let me know.
I would really appreciate your help in this.

Is your requirement is that K4 to be changed to Z5.
The best way you can do it is in the transformation. Instead of directmapping,
Write a code like this in the trransformation to the cube
If SOURCE FIELD - 0FISCVAR eq 'k4'.
SOURCE FIELD - 0FISCVAR = 'Z5'.
I dont think we can change th data in the query being displayed. we can change the keyfigure values in query by frmulas etc...
but for a characteristic, i think we will be able to restrict bt not change the value.
to obtain the requirement, w have to get the data change before query designer that is in the cube leve.
Hope this helps,
Sri...

Unable to provide input value to InfoObject in SEM-BCS

Hello BI Experts,
I have created an infoobject 'ABC' in BI and have flagged 'With Master Data' and 'With Text'. This infoobject has an navigational attribute 'XYZ'(XYZ also has 'With Master Data' and 'With Text').
When I go to T.Code UCWB(BCS Workbench), I could able to see the infoobject 'ABC' and when I try to create master data for 'ABC', I do not see the input field for 'XYZ'. I want to input values in Infoobject 'XYZ' through this screen(SEM-BCS) and not through BI(right-click on infoobject 'Maintain Master Data). Please let me know, if I am missing anything.

Hi Shekar
I find the ICD setup very 'picky'! If you get one thing wrong, it doesn't work. I have detailed below the steps I usually advise people to tek. Check your setup and see if this helps.
1. Define Plan Type, Compensation Category = Others.
2. Define Plan. Link to Plan Type. Plan Usage = May not be in program. On Not in program Tab - define sequence, currency, enrollment rate (per pay period?), activity reference period (Monthly). Your settings may need to be different. On Plan details tab, enter plan years.
3. Plan enrollment requirements. On the general tab, plan sub tab, make sure the method = EXPLICIT. this allows the user to enter an input value for the ICD. THIS MAY WELL BE THE SOURCE OF YOUR PROBLEM!
Make sure the CERTIFICATION region is UNTICKED. This can also cause ICDs not to work.
ALLOWS UNRESTRICTED ENROLLMENT must be TICKED. Otherwise there is no eligibility to the ICD.
On the rates subregion, make sure the run strt date is set to ENTERABLE.
4. standard Rates form. Make sure the ACTIVITY TYPE and TAX TYPE are entered. Select the ELEMENT and the INPUT VALUE and TICK the ELEMENT AND INPUT VALUE REQUIRED field.
On the processing Information tab - TICK ASSIGN ON ENROLMENT, DISPLAY ON ENROLLMENT and PROCESS EACH PAY PERIOD. Enter PER PAY PERIOD AMOUNT in VALUE PASSED TO PAYROLL and OTHER in COMPENSATION CATEGORY.
Let me know if this works!
Regards
Tim

SEM-BCS (BW Reporting)

Hi All,
I would like to know how SEM-BCS stores data (balance values) in BW cube. If I have to generate a B/S report, how would I restrict the Key Figure to show balance as of the 2nd quarter? The issue is the ranging of the Posting Period. Is it (4 to 6) or 6(Last month of quarter) or (1 to 6)?
Thank.

it depends what you want. you want to show cumulative balance or non-cumulative balance from ytd.
since it is balance sheet, i would assume u r refereing to the cumulative balance from ytd ( which also includes the balance carry forward.)
in that you can restrict it to period 1 through 6.
other case:
you report only shows the monthly balances or transactions in the month. then you can go for period restriction period 6.
hope this helps.
Regards,
BWer
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SEM-BCS Short Dump while executing Manual Posting Task

Hi SEM-BCS Colleagues,
I am having a peculiar problem with relation to the settings for Manual Postings. I have three scenarios for which I have defined manual document types and tasks 1) Standardizing Entry (Data Collection) 2) Manual Document in IU for adjustment 3) COI Group level manual postings. I am just creating and not changing any settings for document field properties also. I have configured monthly consolidation frequency and period category and I am posting document type 1 in Local Currency and 2 and 3 in Group Currency since they are after currency translation.
Have any of you faced similar problem and help me please?

Hello,
I am also getting short dump during data collection in BCS.
we recently upgraded the system to SP20. Is it anyway related to upgrade.
I also checked the MYSELF as a source system, but not found one.
Could you please let me know how you have solved this issue.
short dump:
Runtime Errors         PERFORM_TOO_MANY_PARAMETERS
Exception              CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND
Date and Time          04.12.2009 05:21:11
Short text
     Too many parameters specified with PERFORM.
What happened?
     In a subroutine call, there were more parameters than in the
     routine definition.
     Error in the ABAP Application Program
     The current ABAP program "SAPLRSDRI" had to be terminated because it has
     come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
Error analysis
     An exception occurred that is explained in detail below.
     The exception, which is assigned to class 'CX_SY_DYN_CALL_PARAM_NOT_FOUND', was
      not caught in
     procedure "RSDRI_CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE_RFC" "(FUNCTION)", nor was it propagated by
      a RAISING clause.
     Since the caller of the procedure could not have anticipated that the
     exception would occur, the current program is terminated.
     The reason for the exception is:
     A PERFORM was used to call the routine "CUBE_WRITE_PACKAGE" of the program
      "GPD1S8520HM8UV0U2XBDVPADF03".
     This routine contains 7 formal parameters, but the current call
     contains 10 actual parameters.

Concept of Integrated Consolidation Unit of SEM BCS

HI Experts,
I'm now in the SEM BCS 4.0 and BW 3.5 implementation. Previously I was the ECCS specialist and before the FI and AM specialist.
Now I'm in SEM BCS implementation.
I have one question in connection to the integrated consolidation unit. As the reference, I take the concept of this using the ECCS.
As you might know, the creation of integrated consolidation unit for using realtime update method in ECCS, is pulled from FI company ID.
Meanings if I set the configuration properly, I can pull out the company master data as the consolidation unit master data in consolidation monitor.
Now, in SEM BCS, I want to do the same thing. I mean, off course I can create company ID in R/3 and then create the consolidation unit manually using UCWB. But this scenario can create inconsistency, and I also think this is not the right concept of doing integration between R/3 and SEM BCS.
My question is : what is the concept of this master data integration, and what is the proper way to do it?
Any advise on this question is highly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
regards,
Halim

Hi Halim,
You need to build properly your data basis in data model.
Assign your company to a consolidation unit role:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_sem350bw/helpdata/en/dd/f3783bcfef4a2de10000000a114084/frameset.htm
I sent to you the file concerning BCS that you asked for in another thread.
Best regards,
Eugene

SEM BCS - Consolidation Chart of Accounts

Hi all,
For the SEM-BCS implementation I am using ECC as the operational system. ECC folks are in the process of building a group chart of account in FI.
Can you suggests the work around to map group chart of account to consolidation chart of account in SEM-BCS?
Thanks in advance
RJ

I am not sure if anybody has replied you.
In SEM 4.0, You need to download the chart from R3 and then upload as hierrachy in the UCWB workbench.
In SEM.6.0, You have master data load direct from R3 and you can do the same.
Functional advice:-
Normally R3 creates operational chart of account in R3. Each account has a group account feild, if populated the mapping of operational chart to group is amintained in R3 itself.
You can upload the GL master with group chart account number and then this will obviously have the mapping for your use in BCS.
Consolidation chart of account in R3 (if its the accepted group chart) will be the same group chart which your ECC guys are preparing.
Are they using ECCS in R3??
Rgds
Samir Neji

SEM BCS - BPC

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