Sender Service in Receiver Determination

Hi,
I have this scenario: CLIENT <-> XI <-> WEBSERVICE
I have a synchronous communication. Actually, my CLIENT is XML Spy that I want to use to test my scenario. But, when I create The Receiver determination, I specify WEBSERVICE as Receiver, but... what have I to specify as Sender Service? I use XML Spy as Sender!!!
Thanks!

Hi -
The creation of a Business System (created in SLD) or Business Service (created directly in Int. Directory) as a sender service is required for any scenario. Yes, you're actually using XML Spy to act as the web service client in this case, but the web service client could be XML Spy, soapUI, SOAP Scope, or the actual web service application that eventually will send it. The point is you need a "logical" sender service created to act as the sender system and this will be in the form of a Business System or Business Service.
Then when you web service client calls XI (using XML Spy or whatever), the URL will contain the sender service that you created to act as the sender. The URL looks like this:
http://host:port/XISOAPAdapter/MessageServlet?channel=<party>:service:channel
<party> is only necessary if using a party as part of the sender (which you're probably not).
Regards,
Jin

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