Serious RAW artifacts in Aperture. None found in ACR. Photo comparison..

Here's some photos of a recent shot. It looks like Aperture's RAW engine is not playing nice with my image. Terrible artifacts appear kinda like a chroma - high sharpening thing going on in the hair. It's obvious in the links of the screen captures. I tried Adobe's ACR and it's not there. What gives? This is baaaad. I can't possibly use Aperture like this. Version 1.5.2 by the way...and the RAW setting are displayed there...base settings with everything off. Even with the settings at default it looks the same. Version 1.0 RAW settings is actually a little better but still apparent. Exporting has the artifacts on the image. The original RAW file doesn't have it.
Really excited about Aperture but can't have this going on and call it a pro photo...baadd. And I was looking at the photo and print output and could detect a little muddyness...terrible RAW conversion. Needs to be fixed.
Aperture RAW screen capture...
http://www.mavraimage.com/images/aperture_raw.jpg
Adobe Camera RAW screen capture...
http://www.mavraimage.com/images/adobecamraw.jpg

Your video card is fine.
If ACR give you good output, and Aperture does not, it is the application.
I have found that Aperture has a tough time with the fine line details like hair, thin necklaces, and even denim.
I see the same clean output with Lightroom, which has ACR4 in it.
The following is a Nikon D2x NEF, lit with a monolight bounced into an umbrella camera left.
This was imported into both applications, no adjustments, then exported as level 10 JPGS.
Look at the moire type pattern in the denim skirt.
Lightroom left, Aperture on right.
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Interesting.....
Dustin.

What would be even better would be support for the
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I submitted a request for this and everyone else should too - perhaps then priority for it would increase.
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I generally use Capture One, but for the first time I’m using Aperture to process a series of photos from a just-completed trip to northern Arizona/southern Utah. I’ve been very impressed with Aperture’s workflow, and would very much like to make Aperture my primary tool for managing my photos.
However, tonight I discovered some very unsettling artifacts in the prints that I made in Photoshop using files that Aperture converted from RAW. Upon closer inspection, the artifacts also appear in Aperture, when I zoom in. But interestingly, neither Capture One nor Adobe Camera Raw shows these artifacts to nearly the same degree. Scroll down for examples of the artifact as seen in Aperture, Adobe Camera Raw, Capture One, and Photoshop.
For completeness, here are the specifics of my configuration:
Canon 1Ds RAW images
PowerMac G5 dual 2.5 GHz
OSX 10.4.7
Aperture 1.1.2
Photoshop CS
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Here is the photo in which I first discovered the artifacts, which are visible in the full-sized image and on the print, but not in this small jpeg:
The artifacts I’m referring to are regularly-spaced train track-looking things in certain sections of the sandstone. The issue can be seen on 100% crops taken from the left side, about 1/3 of the way down from the top. Here is the area as it appears in Aperture using View > Zoom to actual size:
And here are the Aperture adjustments that I made:
Okay, I used Open With External Editor, to load the image into Photoshop – at its original size. Here is the same area, viewed at 100%, and the artifacts are plainly visible:
Notice that the artifacts appear in much the same way they did in Aperture. Just as a test, I used Aperture to “Export” the image as a 16-bit TIFF format, and then opened in Photoshop. Same artifacts as before:
For comparison I opened the same RAW file in Capture One. The artifacts are barely discernable! :
And here are the Capture One settings I used:
And here is the Capture One conversion as it appears in Photoshop, viewed at 100%. Again, the artifacts are essentially absent:
The image dimensions are almost exactly (but not quite) the same as the image that Aperture converted.
And, although it’s not part of my usual workflow, I converted the image using Adobe Camera Raw. The results show that, like Capture One, ACR doesn’t exhibit these artifacts (although it does show a bit more chromatic aberration):
Just to be clear, these artifacts ARE visible in my 16 x 24” print.
It’s a bit discouraging that, on my first serious attempt at using Aperture, I discovered these artifacts. It may be that this is a rare event with Aperture – or maybe not.
Has anyone else seen this sort of thing? Are there other discussions of the issue? And last but not least, can anyone suggest a way that I might avoid this in the future?
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Here is another example of this effect, but with a different type of subject matter: a ball. The original is a raw file from a Canon 350D/Digital Rebel.
In Aperture's Zoom mode there is a pattern on the ball that looks like Maze Craze:
The pattern is maintained to a lesser degree as the image is sized down:
Exported as Original Size png:
Exported as Half Size png:
Now, as pointed out in the earlier post, the real problem is that other apps do not have this problem. The following is from ACR:
Aside from the pattern, Aperture does look better, but the pattern is nasty and almost makes the image unusable.
Will
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Joe,
good to see that you are reading these posts. I am sure that many users whose cameras' raw files are currently not supported by Aperture would love to help out in any way they can.
However, as we are living in a converging world, why doesn't Apple talk with Adobe and share some of the information used for RAW conversion? I'm thinking dcraw which (according to a note in its source code*) is using data provided by Adobe... and that same data is also contained in the Raw.plist.
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Just a thought.
Kindest regards,
Karl
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Here is a brief view of exactly what it is doing:
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Yes, i really looks like its applying some preset, doesn't it? But it's not as far as I can tell. It does the same thing on my iMac as it does in my BacBook Pro, so the same thing happen on two different installs. Hitting M shows no difference. And yes, it does show in the info that it is a PEF file. I even tried today to get some shots on DNG just to see if it made a difference..it didn't.
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Beginner here so please have patience if I'm doing something stupidly wrong :
I downloaded some holiday photos from my new EOS7D into Aperture 3.3.2 (latest update) running on OSX10.8, the images are canon S-RAW format which I believe is supported by this version of aperture. The images imported fine but when I view them in viewer they are very blurry. So much so that I thought the camera or lens were at fault or that I was viewing a low resolution version of the photo. All the photo's exhibit the same problem but some are more obvious than others.
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Kirby,
Plenty of testing but even more confusion I'm afraid :
1. updated OSX to the latest version 10.8.1, no change to the blurred effect.
2. updated the 7D firmware to latest version 2.0, no change to the blurred effect.
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5. photo's in S-RAW, blurred effect was very obvious at all zoom levels especially 100%
6. imported the same photo's into iphoto 9.3, iphoto mimicked Aperture ie :
RAW photos were identical in iphoto and DPP, but M-RAW and S-RAW both viewed blurred in iphoto compared to Canon DPP. This one threw me, I had expected iphoto to view correctly in all instances.
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Viewing RAW images in Aperture

I cannot find a similar discussion so I'll post this.
I cannot view RAW files in Aperture since the 3.5 update to 10.9. The files import correctly and then when I try to view them in the viewer they turn into a scrambled mess. I have created a new Aperture library and still the problem persists. Is anyone else having this problem and are there any fixes?
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Léonie
Added:
and then when I try to view them in the viewer they turn into a scrambled mess
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lindseydeb wrote:
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