Set up WRVS4400N as WDS main router

I've purchase cisco WRVS4400N and setup as a WDS main router and connect to internet.
And I have a TP-LINK router and setup WDS, and can connect to WRVS4400N successfully via WDS.
When I connect to my TP-LINK router. It can't connect to internet.
I want to ask is it possible to configure two router via WDS and share the main router's internet connection?
If it's possible, how to configure it?

Fibre can be a problem..
The issue is a bunch of things.. it has to do with the gateway being outside of the subnet of the IP that ISP passes to your TC.
The values should indeed be different.. the problem with the TC is lack of flexible adjustments.. when it does not work you cannot fix the route table or spoof the MAC address of the ISP router or all the other low end stuff.. the problem is TC lacks totally in the setup department and it cannot be fixed.
Unless you can convince your ISP to give you a gateway in the correct subnet to the IP the TC will simply never work..
So yes, if you want to use the TC bridge mode is it.

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Airport Express WDS main weirdness

I have some Qwest provided dsl modem/wireless router hooked up via ethernet to an airport express 802.11n configured to be WDS main. There is another airport express 802.11n as a WDS remote upstairs. If I connect directly to the qwest router I get good performance, if I connect to the WDS remote I get good performance. If I connect to the WDS main, I get terrible performance. I've tried unplugging, turning off ipv6 and lots of other suggestions I've seen, but nothing seems to help. I've seen the same thing with my imac and my macbook air, so I think the problem must be the airport express.

Welcome to the discussions!
If both of your Expresses are 802.11n capable, you can use the "extend a wireless network" option rather than WDS.
WDS cuts the bandwidth of your wireless network in half when you add a remote device. "Extend a wireless network" will not do this.
Can you confirm that both Expresses are "n" devices? Do you need step by step to set up the "extend" feature? It's much easier to setup than WDS and will perform much better.
Of course, it is possible that you have a defective Express there. If you have time, you could switch devices, or test each one individually as a base station to verify proper operation.

Setting up WRVS4400N for switch & wireless access point

Howdy, first post here. What is the proper way to configure this device to act as a switch and wireless access point so I can connect it to a switch with router upstream? I have a DLink router that was easy: disable UPnP, disable DHCP, set an IP/Subnet, and it worked.
My main router has a subnet mask of 255.255.240.0 but in the WRVS4400N setup screen I only get a list box with a limited number of masks, all of which are 255.255.255.x. Is there any way to specify the 240?

No. You cannot use a subnet mask larger then 255.255.255.0 on Linksys routers. They are only built to handle 255.255.255.0 and smaller. I guess they consider a LAN which requires a larger subnet, i.e. expects to run more then 253 networked devices requires a larger router.
The only thing you can do is to choose 255.255.255.0 and to pick an IP address which matches the IP address from which you expect to do the usual configuration work. If you use 10.0.0.0/255.255.240.0 but the computers which have to configure the router are all in 10.0.1.0/255.255.255.0 you can use that subnet. This works with computers even if they have a different subnet mask.
Of course, you can set any IP address you want, even one completely outside your normal LAN in order to "hide" the web interface from the normal LAN operation. The IP address of the router in your setup is irrelevant for the switching and wireless access. Both operate on ethernet/MAC addresses and the IP address of the router does not play any role there. If you use the 10 subnet mentioned before you could as well leave the router at 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0. Whenever you have to access the web interface of the router you must temporarily set a static IP address inside 192.168.1.* on the computer...

When I connect my apple tv to my access point upstair and connect my ipad to the same access point i cant see my apple tv when i open up the airplay menu on my ipad. but i can see the apple tv in the living room downstair which connect to the main router

when I connect my apple tv to my access point upstair and connect my ipad to the same access point i cant see my apple tv when i open up the airplay menu on my ipad. but i can see the apple tv in the living room downstair which connect to the main router.
Below is some info i get about ports.
I tried to set DMZ on my main router to have full access to ported to access point upstair which is in the ip of 192.168.1.2 and the main router in the living room is the gateway router with the 192.168.1.1 ip.
I still cant see apple tv after i try the DMZ method.
any suggestion ?
These network ports are used by Apple TV for communications on your network.
TCP port 123 is used to communicate with a network time server.
TCP port 3689 is used to communicate with iTunes while using the iTunes Library Sharing feature.
UDP port 5353 is used by Apple TV for automatically finding computers with iTunes on your network using Bonjour.
TCP port 80 is used for communicating with podcast servers.
TCP port 80 and 443 are used for basic and secure communications with the iTunes Store via the Internet.
TCP port 53 is used for regular DNS.
These are well-known ports used by Apple products, like iTunes. If you can use all the features of iTunes, these ports are likely already open on your firewall or NAT router. Note: These ports may also used by other services such as YouTube and Flickr.

When the Apple TV is paired with a remote, it means only that remote can control it, when it's not paired any remote can control it. You will need a remote for each of your devices.

Trying to set up BEFW11S4 as a "slave" router/access point

I want to set up the BEFW11S4 as a router and access point in the opposite corner of the house from the main wireless router. My main router is address 192.168.1.1, and I configured the BEFW11S4 as 192.168.1.2, with a different WEP key and turned off DHCP, so the main router will hand out addresses.
I am not able to ping the BEFW11S4, nor can I access it with IE. I have a CAT5 Ethernet cable going to the WAN port, and configured the WAN address as 192.168.1.1. I also have an Ethernet-connected PC to the BEFW11S4 and can't see it nor ping it.
What should I do to make this work?
Thanks,
Rocky

you need to connect the 2 routers using regular ports. example, from port 1 of main router going to port1 of befw11s4. do not configure the wan ip of befw11s4 anymore. it should only be set to "obtain an ip automatically".

Have 320n connected to main router issues

I have kind of successfully connected my Wag320n to my main router an Optus Sagem router, they are connected using powerline ethernet adaptors with wireless available on both although I can't access the Wag320n menu wirelessly.
The Wag320n is set up with DHCP of, NAT and firewall of, Static IP address inside the range of the main modem and same subnet, I left the drop down menu at PPOA (not sure about that one if it is the right setting to have), name and password are the same as the main modem for connecting to internet. I have both the modems connected through lan port 4
Now the problem I have is that if I tyr to connect and to the lan port 1 of the Wag320n the led goes red and stays red, I'm guessing this isn't supposed to happen but then I end up with only 2 lan ports to use for tv, media players etc
Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
Thanks in advance
Solved!
Go to Solution.

Hi belveder, better to isolate this first. You may try using different ethernet port or use another cable. Make sure as well that the WAG320N is configured correctly, you can verify the correct settings from your ISP. This link may help you properly cascade the two devices. The red led light is not normal, you should see green to indicate a successful connection. If all fails, updating the firmware will also help. You can follow this link.

Airport Extreme that I was using as an extender now refuses to work as a main router.

Recently I changed to Fibre Broadband in Singapore. Because the connection for Fibre was located near the front door wifi was very very weak in my rooms. This is what I did.
1. Connected my Airport Express (2nd Gen) to my "nucleus connect" Fibre modem by Ethernet.
2. Use my Airport Extreme (4th Gen) as extender by connecting wirelessly.
The speed that I was getting 30 Mbps. I should be receiving about 70 - 100 Mbps.
I decided to switch things around by using my Airport Extreme as the Main Router followed by using Airport Express as Extender. I did the reset, even set it to factory defaults and hard resetting. But am totally unable to connect my Airport Extreme to my Fibre Modem. It keeps flashing amber after trying to set it up. Router is unable to get an IP Address.
Now I have gone back to my original configuration. Airport extreme in this case as no issues working as an extender but somehow is not able to work as the main router anymore.
Please help.
Thank you.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to hit 100Mbps.
To get speed up you need ethernet..
Could not connect to Airport Extreme by Ethernet as my wife insisted she did not want wires dangling around the living room.
Ethernet should be properly installed in the walls.
You will simply not get better speed without using ethernet.. as the one and only reliable method of connection..
You may get improvement using AC wireless bridge equipment.. that actually will cost you more than doing it in ethernet.. with poorer results..
AC wireless bridging is highly subject to conditions in the house.. while it looks great on paper it can work really poorly in practice.
You might also do better than 50Mbps using homeplug adapters.. they are like wireless however.. promising much and delivering so much less.. however the latest batch of 500mbps devices in perfect conditions might get better than 50Mbps throughput.
Not sure of technical term, sort of wired bridge
It is actually a wireless bridge. Wireless to ethernet bridge is perhaps the best and clearest term.
Did you test the extreme whilst running 7.6.1 with the express.. my experience is that 7.6.4 is definitely slower and I can show it repeatedly when I flash it up or downgrade back again .. I get worse then better results.
Forcing the link to 5ghz can work but the express are not so great.. I think you would do better with a pair of extreme.. buy a second gen4 or gen5..
But I think you have done really well with the equipment you have..

Setting up 802.11g WDS

Hello,
I have an older model Airport Extreme Base Station and an older model Airport Express that both use 802.11g. I am trying to set up the Airport Express to extend the range of my network. I reset both devices to their factory defaults, and then set up the AEBS in AirPort Utility in the following way:
Under the "Wireless" tab I set the Wireless Mode to "Participate in a WDS network", set the Wireless Network Name to "Home Network", left the Radio Mode at "802.11b/g compatible", set the channel to "1" and set a password.
Under the "WDS" tab I set WDS Mode to "WDS main", checked "Allow wireless clients" and added the AirPort ID of the Airport Express in the WDS Remotes section. I then hit the Update button.
After doing this, the Airport Express still did not show up as part of "Home Network" but instead kept creating its own network, "Apple Network 072671". So, I switched over to that network and did a Manual Setup of the Airport Express as follows:
Under the "Wireless" tab I set the Wireless Mode to "Participate in a WDS network", changed Wireless Network Name to "Home Network", left Radio Mode at "802.11b/g compatible", and set Channel to "1".
Under the "WDS" tab I set WDS Mode to "WDS remote", checked "Allow wireless clients" and entered the AirPort ID of the AEBS into the WDS Main field. I then hit the Update button.
The Airport Express now shows up under "Home Network", but the AEBS is nowhere to be seen, and the network is no longer connected to the internet. I can only access the AEBS by resetting the Airport Express to its factory defaults, at which point the AEBS shows up under Home Network again.
So, what am I doing wrong? Is there a step I've missed or a mistake I've made at some point? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, as I am at my wit's end.

I just can't think of why it is doing this. Could it be a hardware problem?
Maybe, but I don't think so.
The following are the instructions I use and share with others. Please check it against the steps you took as a means to double-check if any item was missed.
(Note: To facilitate the WDS set up, place the base stations within near proximity of each other during the set up phase, and then relocate them to their desired locations when complete. Also, jot down the AirPort IDs (MAC addresses) for each of the base stations to be used in the WDS. The AirPort ID and is printed on the label on the bottom/side of the base station.)
Main Base Station Setup
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as the main base station.
o Open AirPort Utility (located in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Macintosh computer, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a computer using Windows).
o Select the main base station, and choose Manual Setup from the Base
Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window.
o Enter the base station password if necessary. If the base station is using the
default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
o Click Wireless in the toolbar, and then choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and then choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
o Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computer to connect to this base station.
o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of the base station you want to connect to this base station.
o Click Update to send the new settings to the base stations in the WDS.
Remote Base Station Setup
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as a remote base station.
o Open AirPort Utility (in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Macintosh computer, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a computer using Windows).
o Select the remote base station, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
o Enter the base station password, if necessary. If the base station is using the default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
o Enter the same network password as the main base station, if necessary.
o Click AirPort in the toolbar and click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
o Enter the AirPort ID of the main base station in the WDS Main field.
o Click Update to transfer the settings to the base station.
(ref: Pages 42-46 of "Designing AirPort Networks.)

Airport Extreme in extender mode does not reconnect after main router reset.

I have an Airport Extreme 4th Gen (extender). set to extend the signal from an Airport Extreme 5th Gen (main). Whenever the main router resets (after reconfig, etc) the extender does not reconnect. I would have to restart the extender before it will connect again to the network. However, my Airport Express set to extend will automatically reconnect. Is this a settings issue? Please advise.

Ok, well I am hoping you are not doing a re-config of your 5'th gen all the time? This should only be done very rarely... we're talking like less than once a year for many people. Unless there's something else going on there, I wouldn't worry about it if you have to power-cycle the 4'th gen once in a few blue moons.

Unable to make new Airport Extreme a WDS Main station

I tried adding a new AX (dual band) to an older AX network to extend the cloud. The older AX does not "see" the new AX when I go thru the step to add remote base stations. I tried making the new AX the WDS Main but that option was not available on the new AX. Using Leopard with 5.1.4 of Airport Utility. New AX is firmware 7.4.1. Older AX is 7.3.x (7.4.1 screws this unit up).
Shouldn't the new AX be able to be configured as a WDS main?

EPILOG:
As far as I can tell, the new "Dual Band" Airport Extremes don't support WDS clouds. The only option in the configuration is to "Extend a network" and I was unable to get that to work with an older AX that was configured as a WDS Main base station. The Dual Band AX always came up yellow saying the network could not be found.
The only solution was to throw away the 802.11g WDS remote devices and turn the main base station into an regular 802.11n base station, allow it to be extended and extend it with the Dual Band AX.
As a breadcrumb to those who find this post, this device will waste alot of your time. Most of the Apple articles that come up when searching for how to do this give settings and screen shots for pre-Leopard versions of Airport Utility and are about setting up a WDS network. You also have to be careful about upgrading the pre Dual Band AX to Firmware 7.4.1 as it turns it into a brick in some cases.
I got it to work with the two different AX running different firmware (7.3.2 and 7.4.1)...YMMV
Its important to set the wireless channel specifically to one of the available ones and not let it default to Automatic.

Airport Express connected over Wifi to my main router used as an extender

Hello!
My existent home network is designed as follow:
Ground floor - I have a cable modem with Wifi capability (here I have too a Linksys WRT120N. Not solved the poor wifi signal on 2nd floor tough)
First floor - It's there my MacBook Pro that connects to my Wifi properly as all other devices (iphone, ipad etc)
Second floor - No way to get a good Wifi signal
So, I just bought an Airport Express and I`ve been trying to set it up as an extender to improve the Wifi signal on room three. My intention would be to get it located on the room 2 connected over the Wifi to either the main router or Linksys. However it's not working yet. Is that possible to implement it on this way? Any advice to make these gadgets to work all together?
Thanks.
Alexandre

First of all thanks Tesserax. Let me try to explain what I have at the moment and what I've targeting.
1st level -> a cable modem that's the main router connected to the Internet. At this point I've connected my Linksys (LAN port) to the cable modem (WAN port) in order to try to get the Wifi signal improved to the other levels.
2nd level -> where I leave my MacBook Pro and the Wifi signal at this level from the Linksys is OK
3nd level -> poor Wifi
Having said that, I have the following routers available at home: Cable Modem, Linksys WRT120N, Aiport Express and also a TP-Link WA-281. It seems that all these stuff does not work together tough (:- based on previous answers due compability between all of them.
So, I was trying to connect the Aiport Express to the MacBook on the 2nd level to improve the Wifi signal for the top floor.
Thanks,
Alexandre

Help set up AirPort with TTNET DSL router in Turkey

New AirPort TIme Capsule cannot connect to Internet via TTNET DSL router. I am currently in Turkey. My previous set up was Lincsys WiFi Router connected directly into the same TTNET DSL router (which was provided by ISP) and worked fine.
With the AirPort Time Capsule set as Router - Off (Bridge Mode). It does not allow for Double NAT : "This AirPort base station has a private IP address on its Ethernet WAN port. It is connected to a devis or network that is using NAT to provide private IP. Change your AirPort to bridge mode".
Everything worked fine for a few days, but now not unable to connect to the internet.
I do not have any info from ISP. Nothing that I can find.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Try simply rebooting the TC.. every now and then they do have tendency to just drop out.
Otherwise give us some more info.
What make and model is the DSL router??
Does your ISP use pppoe authentication? If so it may be possible to bridge it and use the TC as main router.

Airport Express as WDS main - Is this possible?

I would like to alter the wireless network we have in order to
1. Accomodate a NAS device
2. Allow wireless access to NAS device
3. Connect to internet
I am considering the following setup.
The NAS will be wired to an Airport Extreme which will also be wired to an iMac. It will store video plus act as Timemachine host.
The Airport Extreme should wirelessly share the NAS on the wirless 'n' network.
The internet router is in a diferent part of the house and cannot be moved.
Can I connect my Airport Express to the router, wireless bridge to the aiport extreme using WDS? Should this be setup using wireless 'g' part of spectrum to maximise bandwidth or is there enough not to matter?
Can I also connect the MacMini using wireless 'g' to the Airport Extreme?
All advice welcome.
The

Yes, an AirPort Express can be a WDS "Main" if it is connected to your modem/router by an ethernet cable. The AirPort Extreme would need to be configured as a WDS "Remote".
But, there are two significant problems that you might want to consider:
1) Time Machine backups to the drive at the USB port +are not supported by Apple+. Corruption issues are very likely to occur if you elect to try this.
2) The WDS setup will cut the bandwidth in half on your wireless network, so you'll have a "g" wireless network operating at half of its capability. That probably won't support hi definition video, which needs all the bandwidth it can get.
If both the AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express are newer "n" devices, then you could use Apple's "Extend a wireless network" setup and maintain "n" speeds on the network.

Connecting 2nd router, separate from main router

Hello.. I've been searching the forums for a bit and can't seem to find an answer to this, so I figured I'd start up a thread.. I have A WRT54G connected as the main wireless router in my house. Today I purchased the WRT600N with hopes of connecting it to the same internet connection as the WRT54G but as a completely separate router.. I've spent all day trying to configure it and get a connection with a different IP as the the first router but have yet to accomplish this.. I get to the point where I have a connection to the second router and it has its own IP and everything, but the internet doesn't work.. I was hoping someone could either help me with this or point me in the right direction to find a way of accomplishing this. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Forgot one thing, not sure if it matters though.. The computer that is connected to the first router is a PC running XP Pro and the computer I'm trying to set up on the second router is a Macbook..
Message Edited by Nupy on 04-27-2008 09:24 PM

What do you mean with "completely separate router"? You cannot completely separate two routers if one hosts the internet connection. The internet connection of the second must run through the first. The LAN of the second can always access the LAN of the first. That's pretty much inevitable with these cheap routers.
Thus, to complete separate two routers/subnets you actually need three routers, one that hosts the internet connection and two connect to the first. Each of those two additional router LANs are then separated as long as the access to the first main router is well secured.
Unless you have very serious reasons to run two subnets I would always recommend a single LAN setup like this.
Other then that I have described possible two router setups here.
If you want to chain the two routers then you have to set them up like this:
1. router
WAN - setup for your internet connection, e.g. PPPoE or DHCP.
LAN IP 192.168.1.1
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP server enabled if required.
DHCP server address pool default 192.168.1.100-149
Check the Status tab of the 1. router to make sure that it has a working internet connection. Write down the DNS server addresses you find on the Status page.
2. router
Internet port of the 2. router is connected to a LAN port of the 1. router. You can only make this wired connection AFTER you have configured the second router. Otherwise you may not be able to access the web interface.
WAN - Static IP
WAN IP 192.168.1.2
WAN subnet 255.255.255.0
WAN gateway 192.168.1.1
WAN DNS 1,2,3 enter either 192.168.1.1 or the DNS server addresses from above.
LAN IP address 192.168.2.1
LAN subnet mask 255.255.255.0
DHCP server if required
You have the choice to set the DNS server IP addresses in the DHCP server if you like.
Don't forget to save the settings on the Setup page.
Once you have reconfigured the second router like this you can connect it to the first.
Make sure that the second router is on Gateway mode on the Advanced Routing tab.
This setup will separate the LAN of the second router from the first. This means you cannot access the LAN of the second router from a computer connected to the first router. However, anything connected to the second router is able to connect to anything connected to the first router. This is much all the separation you'll get with these routers.

Setting up time capsule on a router using my existing wireless network

how do i set up my existing time capsule to my wireless network.
Earleir i was using TC as a wireless hub too but i do not intend to do so now . please advise

Not sure exactly what you mean..
The best way to setup the TC is plugged in by ethernet to existing router. You can then turn off wireless.. or setup wireless as roaming network.
See http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4260
It doesn't matter if the main router is apple or not apple, but the same ssid/security setup will work.
It is possible to extend wireless with another apple router. That has limitations but is much preferred to using non-apple router.
If you are trying to join a TC to a non-apple wireless network.. it can be done.. but the setup is extremely slow and poor reliability. It is not even available I think as option in v6 airport utility.. it might be in the setup. You can choose it in v5 utility by holding the option key when you choose wireless network mode.. it is so poor Apple do not support it.. and the TC becomes a dumb wireless client.. ethernet ports are shut off.. all wireless is reduced to single band client.
But there it is if you want to try.. Join a wireless network.. hidden so use option key to reveal.

Set up WRVS4400N as WDS main router

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