Setting my 648 Max-L to 8x agp

I have a 648 max-L. It says it supports agp 8x but I put in a geforce 5900xt 8x and when I check my dispay settings it says it's running on agp 4x. Can someone please tell me how I can set it to 8x.

its universal like most chipset drivers
auto in bios and that installed should be all thats needed
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_detail.php?UID=355&kind=1

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648 Max L and 8x AGP

Can anyone tell me to enable 8x agp setting with a
648 max L MB ? I have a Radeon 9700 Pro video card.
I can't seem to find anything in the bios to change the setting. Can anyone point me in the right direction ?

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Originally posted by FrankenBerrie
If you are not running the lastest version of SIS AGP drivers then you will get a max of 4x agp. ;(
[Get drivers here]
Thanks so much for all your advice.

MSI 648 MAx Motherboard question regarding AGP Speed

I have recently bought a Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb and installed latest radeon drivers and msi drivers etc.
I have one question. How do I change it from AGP 4X to 8X. When I click on properties and setting, advance, it only shows 4X as max setting. But my motherboard supports 8 Speed and the card is 8 speed so what do I do?
Tried searching forums already but to no avail. Tried looking in BIOS for options but no luck. Any ideas?
Cheers guys

Yup.
I fixed my problem. But now that has brought on a new one.
When I installed the latest driver, it would only let me use AGP 4 speed at most. To proove the newest driver was installed, I did a dxdiag and looked for the agp version and found it. When it is the latest driver installed, it only allows 4 speed. So I had to revert back to a middle driver(ie not the very first one and not the most recent). This then brought up the option of 8speed AGP in my ATI SmartGart panel. I was happy with this. But it is not the latest driver and this is now causing Battlefield Vietnam to crash. Continuously. And experience slowdown etc. Which, lets face it, should not be happening.
SO to sum it up, with the latest driver installed, AGP 4 speed is as high as it can go.
But with a middle driver, i can achieve agp 8 speed but my game crashes with this driver.
And to show just how bad SIS are for updating driver, I have to go into device manager, manually find the .inf file for the latest driver and use this to install the latest driver for it to show up as the latest driver in dxdiag.
So who is at fault here? SIS or MSI? What a piece of crap.
EDIT: Would there be any point in flashing the cmos?

MSI 648 Max -- AGP setting in BIOS

I had tried to install the driver for the GeForce4 MX440.
After finished the install, I reboot the computer.
When loading into WindowsXP[the black screen with a WindowsXP logo in middle], the monitor suddently turns black and changed to "power saving mode", but the computer power LED still on.
I think there are something wrong in the BIOS.
Can you tell me whether the BIOS setting is correct?
Thank you!
My computer:
Pentium 4 2.53GHz
MSI 648 Max (MS-6585) BIOS v1.1
Inno3D Tornado GeForce4 MX440 DVI TV 64MB AGP [AGP2X/4X]
Kingston 256MB DDR400
Maxtor 6Y080L0 7200rpm 80G ATA133
SONY Trinitron Multiscan 15sf II
BIOS seting:
Advanced Chipset Features:
AGP Aperture size = 128M
DRAM CAS# Latency = By SPD
Timing Setting Mose = Fast
MA 1T/2T select = MA 1T
PNP/PCI configurations:
Primary graphics Adapter = AGP
Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA = Yes
PCI IDE Bus Master = Enable
Frequency/Voltage Control:
CPU/DRAM Frequency Ratio = By SPD
DRAM Frequency = 200MHz
Auto Detect CPU FSB = Enable
CPU Frequency = 133MHz
AGP/PCI Frequency(MHz) = 66/33
Clock Spread Spectrum Enable = Disable

Oh~~!
I haven't changed the psu........
Any other method to solve the problem?
My computer can successfully reboot and load into WindowsXP for once, when I set the refresh rate to 85Hz, it hangs. I have to reboot it to safe mode and disable the card. Then it can boot into WindowsXP.
When I reinstall the driver, the problem happen again.

SiS AGP drivers with 648 MAX-F and TI-4600 GS

A few days ago I bought a new computer. Here are the specs:
Compucas 6A21B 300W SuperLowNoise
Intel Pentium 4 Northwood 2,4GHz
MSI 648 MAX-F
Kingston 512Mb 333Mhz DDR
Seagate Barracuda ATA V 80Gt 7200rpm
Gainward Geforce4 Ti4600 ultra/750 XP golden sample
windows 2000
I have tried everything to get the SiS AGP drivers work. Every time I start with them I get a white screen with colourful horizontal lines. There is also gray at the bottom of my screen. This picture comes after the windows screen, when it should say preparing network connections and everything. I have service pack 3 and DirectX 9. I have tried many different versions of the drivers from both MSI and Gainward/NVidia. I even upgraded my BIOS. From bios I have tried all the DRAM timing things. Now I have a nice set of drivers on my computer. Is there anything else to do than wait for new drivers? It works fine after I uninstall the AGP drivers. Does the operating system matter?

Did you try the newest drivers from Nvidia's website?
Did you try video card in another system when you had it in the shop, and another video card in your system? I take it you did a clean install of Windows XP. Mine has had no problems in WindowsXP, It's a Chaintech Ti4600. While I do have Windows 2000, I haven't used it on this system so I'm no help there. Also did you try setting BIOS to default settings? Come to think of it, I think it defaults to graphics card in PCI slot, maybe I'm thinking of another board. Don't know if that would make a difference anyway. Can you go into safemode and update or remove the agp drivers and start over? Is this fun or what? Did the AGP drivers you installed, create a Sis agp utility folder in the start menu? That might give you some information about any possible problems. What are the agp voltage readings in the BIOS?
Oops! Checked my BIOS, there is no setting for graphics card in PCI slot. Way too many motherboards. I'd try re-installing XP from scratch, install all sis drivers, install Nvidia drivers, install XP service pack. If that doesn't work, get mad, scream and run out the front door with arms flailing!

Can't update my AGP driver MSI 648 Max-L

Hello, I have the MSI 648 Max-L (SiS 648 motherboard).
When I try to update the SiS AGP driver from 1.13 to anything newer (the latest is 1.16a), nothing happens. The installer fails to run.
What seems to be wrong?
Specs:
WinXP SP1
MSI 648
512MB PC2700
Radeon 9700Pro
Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by zardoz66
Hello, I have the MSI 648 Max-L (SiS 648 motherboard).
When I try to update the SiS AGP driver from 1.13 to anything newer (the latest is 1.16a), nothing happens. The installer fails to run.
What seems to be wrong?
Specs:
WinXP SP1
MSI 648
512MB PC2700
Radeon 9700Pro
Thanks in advance!
I'm having the same problem while trying to istall SiS AGP driver 1.15 but i have no previous versions installed though.

AGP 8X and Fastwrite with MX440 8X on 648 Max L

Hi,
I own the 648 Max L and I have just bought a MSI Geforce4 MX440 8X. I have SiS Agp drivers 1.15 installed and:
1. AGP 8X does not work although I can "enable" it
2. It says that the board does not support AGP Fastwrite but the graphic card does.
Can I please have some feedback on these issues thank you.
Razvan

I take it you're seeing this with the AGPUtil? I have found the same results with my mobo, but (and this is a but) I think it's just reading the info wrong. ATI SmartGart lists AGP 8x and Fastwrites working, while agputil does not.
Also, if you read the info file that came with those drivers (if you got them from MSI), certain motherboards are not compatible with the newer AGP drivers, and thus use v1.12. I've been looking for the AGPUtil that came with that version to double check, but haven't been able to find it.
[Edited] Maybe someone who has either of the two boards with the newest AGP drivers can offer their results as well...

MSI 648 Max with AGP X8 - BIOS update

I have replaced my old AGP card with Radeon 9550 256MB for use with my new Dell 20" WS monitor.
Every time, after starting or during 3DMark03, it crashed back to desktop and sometimes retarting my pc. I try ram settings, aperature etc with no luck. My pc has TrueBlue 480 watt PSU and the voltage reading is good.
In the end, I searched this forum and found out it was the problem with AGP X8 so I changed it to AGP X4 via ATI control panel, my pc went through 3Dmark03 with no problems at all. AGP X4 works flawless.
Regarding BIOS - my motherboard is SIS 648 MAX-L HT ready (Hyper-threading) and its latest BIOS version is v3.1. I'm just wondering that is my board exactly the same as non-HT 648 MAX board physically? Since they use same chipset with same layout and also because I noticed the BIOS update for non-HT version is different with v1.5 and has the fix for Radeon 9700 problem which could be related to my problem. Since I'm using Pentium 4 2.53Ghz, Hyper-threading is a useless feature, could I flash my board with this BIOS?
Thanks in advance

Quote from: Stu on 23-September-06, 05:23:39
then leave it at that then. the actual real-life performance difference between 4X and 8X is negligible
Thanks, just asking...I guess I answered my own question!

648 max pci/agp optinn

Dear Sir,
My system is:
Msi 648 MAX ver1.1 HT ready
Intel P4 2.4Ghz 512KB bus 100 Mhz
Msi MX440SE-T AGP 64MB DDR
WD 80GB 7200 HDD
Samsung 52-24-52 CD-RW
Creative modem blaster v.90 di5655
P.S. Logic 300W
Win 98SE & WinXp
My problem is :
The bios has an option in the frequency/voltage control menu called
AGP/PCI Frequency (MHz)
which gives me the ability to adjust the pci/agp bus clock frequency.
This option doesn't work, and my clue is
1- When I adjust my CPU FSB more than 110 MHz (PCI > 36.66 MHZ) and this option to 66/33 the computer boots normally until it starts loading the O.S. and errors saying that the OS cannot start due to lost system files, or Read Write error to Aux device, or it hangs.
2- When I adjust this option to 80/40 and the CPU FSB to Auto (100 MHz), the computer boots normally and load the O.S. normally and everything goes just fine. and Sandra software reports the PCI clock frequency as 33 MHz.
Thats to say that the PCI/CPU FSB ratio is fixed at 1/3 regardless to any value selected in this option.
2nd problem is
The DMI of this board which report wrong information either by your included DMI program or by any other software like Sandra Software for the following items:
1- Supported memory types: Standard, Fast Page, Edo, Parity, ECC, SiMM ( supports 184-pin unbuffered DDR DIMM without ECC, manual page 1-2)
2- Supported memory voltage: 3.3V (2.5v manual page. 2-5)
3- Number of memory slots: 4 slots ( There are only 3 slots)
4- PCI slots: 5 ( There are 6 slots)
5- ISA slots: 2 (There is no ISA slots on this Board)
Faithfully,
Mar.

You need the SiS USB2.0 driver
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_list.php

Help. 648 Max-L, AGP, Memory, and instability

Everyone -
I just built my first computer and I need help here. This is what I got:
MSI 648 Max-L MB
Corsair 1x512 MB DDR333 (slot 1)
SapphireTech ATI 9500 Pro 128 MB (64MB AAP)
P4 2.4 ghz
This all started when I installed the OS then tried to play battlefield 1942. the game would load fine and 5 minutes in the game would crash to the desktop without any errors. I realized I never installed the MB Sis AGP drivers. I did so and updated the drivers from ATI (when the card is from Sapphire), and errors galore started to surfaces.
I re-installed the OS and the MB drivers. I then installed the AGP drivers from the SapphireCD. I installed the Sis AGP Driver from MSI. I am getting constant errors trying to open windows on the desktop. Everything from folders, msie, notepad, etc. My Event viewer shows errors like "a thread could not be created for this service".
I also noticed dxdiag showed Texture Acceleration as "Not Available". How is that?
I am at a lost here guys. Is my video card bad? is it my memory?

Everything is working.
THe fix was to turn OFF fast writes AND uninstall the AGP MB drivers. No idea why this is...
I have the ATI card drivers, I just do not have the MoBo AGP drivers. I also put in Directx 9.
you gotta check this out...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6481129~root=hard~mode=flat
explains pretty well

MSI 648 Max - Display Problems

I recently bought the MSI 648 Max motherboard, as my system needed an upgrade quite badly. To cut the costs down a bit, I’ve used some parts from my previous system (eg the video card which is an 2x AGP, 64 Mb, Kyro based card) but got new RAM, CPU and psu.
I put together the system (described below), loaded Windows ME, updated all drivers with latest releases, and the thing works but the quality of the display is really bad ;( . That is, I get lots of video artefacts (shadows, fading text, vertical lines, distorted colours, etc). The video card was working fine on my other machine. Also, Sisoft Sandra says that the card is operating at 2x AGP, as it should.
I am not overclocking; some of the BIOS parameters I used are as follows (based on the OPTIMAL DEFAULTS):
AGP Aperture Size    128 Mb
DRAM CAS Latency    by SPD
Timing Setting Mode    NORMAL
MA 1T/2T Select    AUTO
Primary Graphics Adapter    AGP
Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA    NO
CPU/DRAM Frequency Ratio    by SPD
DRAM Frequency    167 MHz (for now)
CPU Frequency    133 MHz
AGP/PCI Frequency    66/33
DRAM Vcore        2.6 V
CPU Vcore       AUTO
The system temperature showed in the Health Status is less than 40 C (104 F).
I have tried the latest AMI BIOS (version 1.3), and then reverted to version 1.0, but I still have the same display problem.
I would really appreciate some help.
Ciao
mystro
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Windows ME (v4.90.3000)
Pentium4 CPU 2.4 GHz (133x18.0), FSB 533 MHz
MSI SIS648 Max (MS 6585) ver. 1.0
2 x 256 MB Corsair DDR400 (CMX256A-3200C2, CL = 2-3-3-6-T1,
Hercules 3D Prophet Kyro 4500 TV Out (Kyro I not II) 64 Mb, AGP 2x, 175/175 MHz
IBM 40GB 7200RPM UATA100
Mitsubishi 40x CD-Rom
Yamaha 8424S CD-RW
Adaptec 2930U SCSI card
Eagle 350W psu, 190W (combined 3.3V & 5V)

boards agpx4 and 8 only so i dont advise using that card
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585

Msi 648 max working with ati 9700

Hi,
I got it working (100% no crashes) today on windows 2k adv server:
msi 648 max (6585 early version), ati 9700 (1st version), and mostly the latest drivers/software, e.g. msi mb bios v1.2, sisagp47.exe, siside47.exe, ms directx9 (dx90_redist.exe), wxp-w2k-radeon-7-83-030120a1-007447c-efg.exe, control-panel-7-83-030120a1-007447c-efg.exe.
Before you get happy, now I want to replace the 648 motherboard with something better. It is a total waste of money to try running an ati 9700 on an msi 648 max.
Summary: I had to set my DRAM memory clock to 2.5, fast write off, and agp to 4x. There are a bunch of other bios settings and ATI control panel setting to keep it from crashing. If anyone is pathetic enought (like me) to want more information, then post your questions.
The only reason I'm posting my results is because I got all my help from people on this board. BTW I'm running Corsiar CMX512-3200C2 (at 2.5 sucks), and Antec Truepower 550w power supply (which is not p.o.s).
Good luck and save your money....
Thanks all.

Hi,
I agree. My Bios is at version 1.2 because I flashed it a couple months/weeks ago and that was the current version at the time. Now they have up to 1.4 but I did not need it.
Bye.

Help for SIS 648 MAX-L Startup Problem

I just bought an MSI-648MAX-L, a 2.4GHz cpu and a Jaton GeForce4 TI4200 card. Installed all of the above + PC2700 512 MB RAM and a WD 80GB hard drive, floppy and CD. Turn on the power and my screen flickers all four of the diagnostic leds light up green and then nothing. I hear the hard drive spinning and the CPU fan and video card fan but nothing else. Tried one other AGP video card and a PCI video card but nothing on the screen. Seems like the BIOS is not loading. So I turn the computer off and set the BIOS reset jumper. Turn it back on again and still nothing. Checked all the connections, the seating of the CPU and tried again, still nothing. Any idea what might be wrong?? I hope I don't have to buy another MotherBoard and also I hate the idea of removing my CPU once installed. ;(
Thanks for your help..
Kumar.

What kind of video card is it?
If it's a radeon 9700 pro, look in one of the other threads on this site to figure out what revision you have, rev 1.1 or 1.2 9700 pros will not work on some 648 max boards ( well for me it was 648 max L im not sure about the 648 max but im assuming it has the same problem.
What happens with radeon is since the mobo sets the agp automatically, and there is the 8x bug the system doesnt boot. But the card will work fine on machines that have 4x, In this case RMA the card to radeon and make sure to specifiy that you get a 1.3 rev.
Otherwise you stated you have tried other processors and memory that were "known" to be good.
DDR 400 or DDR 333 memory?

MSI-6585 (648 MAX) instant restart issues questions pls help......

Hi, i figured after months of specualation i would try to figure out what the hell is wrong with my pc. 12months ago a bought a MS-6585 648 MAX mobo and a P4 2.53ghz with 2x Samsung DDR 333 (PC2700) ram. I play many games on my pc it seems when playing Counter-Strike + PlanetSide results in random instant restarts. Occasionaly it will just hang the system but mainly instant reset of the system. My cpu temp ranges from 35 48 max approx.
I've tried switching my ram to different slots and so on refit everything but with no luck. I just have a very unreliable computer atm. I've reformated plenty of times but with no joy, the odd thing is its random somtimes my pc will not crash or reset it self so this makes it very difficult to figure out what the hell is going on :S
If you have more questions perhaps i can answer them - and give you more info that i have forgotten.
Here are somethings that might be useful:
MS-6585 648 MAX mobo
Pentium 4 (northwood) 2,53ghz 533
Samsung DDR 333 (PC2700)
Gigabyte Maya II Radeon 9700Pro (running in agp 8x)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Bios settings: (things ive changed)
Turned onboard sound off than auto
AGP Apeture size 128
I have 32bit transfer mode running for hdds
I have S.M.A.R.T. enabled
(next week end i will have another 512 ram stick to try just incase its my ram but i have done the intel ram checker and it didn't find any problems)
Any help would be greatly appreciated pls ask any things ive missed and anything else u would need to know. I really want to sort this out as you can imagine its not very nice having a pc that can randomly crash when u do not expect it.

Overclocking is typically limited by one of 3 factors, assuming you have sufficient power:
1. Memory won't operate past a certain speed, so you run at a different ratio or buy faster memory.
2. Temperature, so you need to add non-stock cooling or better case ventilation or water cooling, depending on how far you want to go
3. CPU - At some point the CPU won't run any faster.
Leave the CPU voltage at Auto. You should only need to raise it if you get into extreme overclocking.
As for the size of the power supply, if you stay with Intel Northwood with an ATX board on your next upgrade, an Enermax 465, Antec 480, or something similar (should cost around $80-100US) would get good choices. If you plan on going with a Prescott on an ATX board, I would look at going to a 550W supply.
Personally, I thing the next 12 months is shaping up to be a real headache in making upgrade decisions in the Intel world. Intel have indicated their next generation of boards will be BTX without AGP support. This looks like an upgrade could mean new case, possibly power supply, video card and possibly ram. I am hoping that companies like MSI will produce a transitional product that allows new processors and chip sets on an atx board. If that doesn't happen I see a lot of people switching to AMD.

Wanna OC msi 648 max

I wanna try and oc this damn thing and see how it goes but my bios is retarded. if i change anything in it it will not start. no post no screen no nothing sits there and i think hdd light goes on but nothing is actually going. for me to go back i have to clear cmos and i have tried diff bios versions and all the same. so what the heck can i do? i plan on buyin new board and drives soon as seeing all msi crap sux. dont know y i bought em all there a bunch of liars. so if anyone got a way other than buying new board cuz thats on way just wanna see what this one got.

Don't bather yourself I have the same problem.
:O MSI FAKED US ALL A BIG ONE. The problem is in the option AGP/PCI Frequency (MHz)
It doen't work and my clue is:
1- When I adjust my CPU FSB more than 110 MHz (PCI > 36.66 MHZ) and set this option to 66/33 the computer boots normally until it starts loading the O.S. and errors saying that the OS cannot start due to lost system files, or Read
Write error to Aux device, or it hangs.
2- When I set this option to 80/40 and the CPU FSB to Auto (100 MHz), the computer boots normally and load the O.S. normally and everything goes just fine. and Sandra software reports the PCI clock frequency as 33 MHz.
Thats to say that the PCI/CPU FSB ratio is fixed at 1/3 regardless to any value selected in this option.
My system is:
Msi 648 MAX ver1.0 HT ready S.N.(648 Max0304165360)
Intel P4 2.4Ghz 512KB bus 100 Mhz
Msi MX440SE-T AGP 64MB DDR
WD 80GB 7200 HDD
Samsung 52-24-52 CD-RW
Creative modem blaster v.90 di5655
P.S. Logic 350W
Win 98SE & WinXp

Setting my 648 Max-L to 8x agp

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