Setting Up Dual Sonnet Fusion/WD RE2 RAID 0 Arrays in Disk Utility

I've just received my 2nd Sonnet Fusion 500P enclosure, 5 500GB WD RE2s, and the Sonnet Tempo E4P card. See this earlier thread for more info:
[http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6034612&#6034612]
I assembled everything with no trouble; drives into trays, trays into the enclosure, card into the Mac Pro, etc.; all went well.
Next, in Disk Utility I initialized the 5 drives, and set up a striped RAID O array. I used the largest RAID block size of 256K. And again, everything worked perfectly; I now have a 2.3 TB RAID setup mounted on my desktop.
Next, I created 2 folders on the RAID, one for all of my Final Cut Pro media files, and another for all my DVD Studio Pro media files. These files are currently stored on the individual (not RAIDed) drives in my first Sonnet Fusion enclosure. I'm now in the process of copying over all of the files to the new RAID.
When that's finished, my plan is this: I will shut down, and power down the original Sonnet enclosure. When I start up again, one by one, I will open up my FCP and DVDSP projects (the project files themselves are stored on my internal boot drive, and backed up to another internal drive) and when the media can't be found, I'll reconnect the project to the media on the RAID.
If this all goes well, I will then erase the individual drives in the first enclosure, and build a 2nd RAID 0; I'll copy/clone everything from the first RAID enclosure to the 2nd.
If you're still reading, does this sound like a safe way to do things? I want to reconnect everything while I still have 2 copies of all of the media files; once I have the 2nd RAID built, and everything is copied back to it, I'll have a backup of everything again. If there is a better, more secure way to do it, I'm open to suggestions.
And being somewhat new to RAID, one more question I have is, are drives in a RAID system more prone to failure than if they are running as stand-alone drives? I've used the WD RE2s a lot, and I like them; they seem very reliable. (I now have 14 of them, in total). But does the RAID system itself put the drives more at risk?
Thanks to those with the patience to read through this, and hopefully offer some advice.

Always have two backups or sets of data. If you are going to erase one set... then for a stretch of time you only have the one good copy I take it? I guess the originals would be one good set, so you are safe.
You realize you can unmount drives connected on Sonnet controllers, right? No need to shutdown your computer, just the enclosure(s). Couldn't tell if that is what you said anyway.
I don't use internal drives for backups, just external SATA and at least one on FireWire. One backup is always off line at any time. And enough juice on the UPS to carry me through what I am doing or can safely get past.
I just read one of AMUG/michael's post on a controller that supports hardware RAID and ability to map out bad sectors "on the fly" which is about the only time I worry about a failure. That, and UPS, and beware of OS patches and updates (one security update affected SeriTek on some G4/5s).
I'd say you've done a lot for being new to RAID - and using the same make/model/revision for all your drives helps a lot. Buying together, and having at least one 'spare' if one fails, is also good insurance.
Some poeple use 4 drives in a 5-drive enclosure. For heat and ventilation and because sometimes it might be ideal for performance. Never used or seen the 500P up close but I suspect it is well built.
You could build a 2nd 500P and either increase performance or capacity or use 2nd as backup. If you don't need to copy 1GB per minute, then a concatenated RAID fills drive A before putting data on B and is more secure than a stripped RAID but still shows up as one large volume.

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    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000JQ51CM/arizomacinusergr
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    Good Morning all !!
    Quick subject question. 
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    Good Morning all !!
    Quick subject question. 
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  • Disk Utility RAID Issue

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    Buying hard disks at premium prices can be painful especially when you realize that a new set will probably be required every 3 years.
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  • Uncompres10bit HD w/ Sonnet Fusion D500P

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  • DIY Fusion Drive and RAID 5

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    TRIM directly addresses the shortcomings of having only garbage collection available. SSD controller manufacturers and designers (including SandForce, the controller manufacturer for OWC's SSDs), recommends that TRIM be used with their products. So does Samsung. 
    For example, here's a 2011 article from OWC describing how you don't need TRIM on their SSDs and how it can in fact hurt performance or reliability.
    That article has been discussed here on MacInTouch before. In my opinion it's bad advice, and inaccurate in some of its assertions. It also ignores the recommendation made by SandForce to use TRIM with their SSD controllers. But even if one were to take that article at face value, applying that advice to SSDs other than OWC's makes little sense.
    The reason I'm advising against TRIM is simply that it's yet another driver-level modification of the OS, and these always carry potential risk (as all the folks with WD hard drives who lost data can attest to).
    Apples and oranges comparison, for a variety of reasons. The short of it is that TRIM is supported natively in all recent versions of OS X. The tools used to enable it for third party SSDs do not add a new kernel extension; they change the setting to allow Apple's native TRIM implementation to be used with SSDs other than those factory installed by Apple.
    This shows that the 840s do work slightly better with TRIM than without, but the differences are (in my opinion) trivial, a 9% increase at best.
    One of the major reasons for the skepticism that exists about TRIM is that so many people, the authors of both articles you linked to included, don't understand it.
    TRIM is not, strictly speaking, a performance-enhancement technology -- though it is plainly obvious that most people think it is.
    Though it can, in many circumstances, improve performance, there are also circumstances under which it will provide little or no noticeable benefit. Not coincidentally, a new SSD tested fresh out of the factory packaging is unlikely to show much (if any) benefit. Or rather, TRIM is providing a real benefit for new SSDs, but that benefit doesn't become measurable in terms of benchmark performance testing until every memory cell in the SSD -- including many gigabytes of cells hidden from visibility by the SSD controller -- have been written to at least once. Writing 128 GB of files to an SSD with a nominal capacity of 128 GB won't do it, as there are several gigabytes (exact number varies depending on the model) still unwritten.
    Under real-world use conditions, having TRIM disabled means eventually having noticeable write performance degradation due to write amplification. It is far greater than "9%" -- it can be a 50% or greater drop in write performance, depending on various factors. Defining "eventually" is difficult because it depends on how the SSD is used. But given enough time and write cycles, it can happen to all SSDs used without TRIM, no matter how sophisticated their garbage collection algorithms are.
    Under those same real-world use conditions, having TRIM enabled means that the SSD should almost never reach a state of having noticeable write performance degradation, as it should almost never get into a state where write amplification is happening.
    I will concede that it is possible to design a lab test in such a way as to defeat the benefits provided by TRIM, but such tests do not reflect any real-world usage scenario I can imagine. Furthermore, those same contrived tests would put an un-TRIMmed drive into an equally-addled state even more quickly.
    I would suggest reading through the rather lengthy previous discussions about TRIM. Here are a couple of my past posts that are most relevant to the current discussion:
    A description of what TRIM is here.
    I addressed some of OWC Larry's comments about TRIM use with OWC/SandForce SSDs here.
    http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html#d09dec2013

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