Settings in color management VISTA

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I am using a new Dell3007WFP und NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT with Windows Vista. Images display with a yellow tinge when I open them in Photoshop CS3 (or Windows Photo Gallery).
They do not have the yellow tinge when viewed on a Windows XP box or other tools on Vista (Corel Snapfire, Windows file browser).
The problem is clearly illustrated at http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0808/c2/e56c95257436.jpg
In the screenshot the same image is open in Photoshop, MS Paint, Windows Photo Gallery, and the Windows file browser.
New monitor profile I make with ColorVision Spyder2.
Interesting is when I proof colors in PS and to choose Monitor RGB colosr then is ok.
The problem is clearly illustrated at
http://www.imgup.ru/image-1219259414a58301a32cbd51cab30df38423af6fb1
Please help! This problem is driving me insane.
Juris

thank you, g ballard!
but i don`t want reed all links ....
but I think I have found one (meanwhile) solution!
in color management window as my defoult ICC profile I choose sRGB IEC61966-2.1.(I hope it is OK !?)
AND leave there my monitor profile
when I restart PC ColorVisionStartup give me notice --> can not load this monitor profile. Please select another profile.(1168)
then I manualy choose in --->ColorVision---> ProfileChooser my calibrated monitor profile... and UPSAAAaaa all is OK! (at least I think so!)
clearly illustrated at
http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0808/92/123c1a16fb3d.jpg

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