Severe color issues in CS5, EizoCG245W monitor, calibrated...help!

Hi!
I'm working with an entirely new system here from the ground up. New computer with Windows 7, Eizo ColorEdge CG245W monitor and Photoshop CS5 (I had previously been using CS3 on my old system/monitor). Everything was hooked up within the last couple of days and PS installed as well.
The problem I am having is that when I open an image in PS, it is severely dull and desaturated looking (esp in the reds, yellows and oranges).
The "color settings" I am using are correct for the lab I print at. I am using sRGB.
Thing is, when I view the image in My Pictures or on the Web (IE or Firefox) or in Microsoft Office Picture Manager....the image looks correct and the same as my lab test prints.
But if I view the image in either CS5 or Windows Photo Viewer, I get that horrible dull/desaturated look.
I should mention as well that my monitor is calibrated...I did that yesterday upon getting everything hooked up. When I am in CS5 and choose "Assign Profile"...if I choose the monitor profile generated by the calibrator (mine is CG245W (22547100) Photography, Graphic Design) then the image looks correct and all of the colors are saturated nicely. But, obviously, I cannot choose this as my working space or color profile!!!
What is going on? It's almost as if there is a problem with Windows not recognizing the calibrated profile or something...but I am unable to fix this and I NEED it fixed asap!!!
Thank you!

Is it possible that what you perceive as "correct" is actually oversaturated?
I'm not familiar with that monitor... Is it a wide gamut monitor? If so, you'd expect sRGB to look less saturated than the same images displayed in non-color-managed applications.
You do realize that images displayed in IE 8 and earlier, and many other photo viewing applications, are not displayed through a color-management system, right? These are not color-managed applications. Photoshop is. Also, assigning the monitor profile to your image essentially shuts color management off.
What you're saying is essentially that you like what you see when color is not managed.
Assuming no unexpected glitch, such as a bad profile, all seems to hinge on what color space the monitor is delivering, and whether it was delivering that same color when calibrated.
How did you calibrate/profile it, specifically?
-Noel

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Hi!
Thank you so much for trying to help!!!! Unfortunately, I'm afraid that it doesn't solve my problem . I still don't understand why I never had this problem with CS2 (image were looking much better) and the color setting are the same. Also, I don't understand why the image in CS5 doesn't look the same as in ACR. ACR seems to give me a much better image and this is the image I want to open in CS5. Even when I open my Jpegs that I processed months ago in CS2, they look much better in ACR than CS5. The image in ACR is the same as CS2. How can we explain that!! Could it be a display setting in CS5 that I need to change???
Wolf, see below some of my comments on your tips. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain everything It's very appreciated!
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Tip #2: comparing colours between Photoshop and any other non-colour managed application is futile. Yes I agree, I shouldn't compare with Windows Viewer, however, I think that my image in photoshop and ACR should look the same but they are not
Tip #3: turn off the Highlight indicator in ACR (click the right triangle in ACR's histogram). Done but it doesn't solve my problem..
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original file:
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Original file, imported into Lightroom and then exported back out w/o any modifications (sRGB): http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_lightroom-nomidification_exported_srgb.jpg
Original file, imported into Lightroom, MODIFIED and then exported back out (sRGB):
http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_lightroom-modified_exported_srgb.jpg

Exiftool reports the original contains the following EXIF tags:
Interoperability Index : R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version : 0100
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Profile CMM Type : Lino
Profile Version : 2.1.0
Profile Class : Display Device Profile
Color Space Data : RGB
Profile Connection Space : XYZ
Profile Date Time : 1998:02:09 06:49:00
Profile File Signature : acsp
Primary Platform : Microsoft Corporation
CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
Device Manufacturer : IEC
Device Model : sRGB
Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
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Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator : HP
Profile ID : 0
Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company
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Media White Point : 0.95045 1 1.08905
Media Black Point : 0 0 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
Green Matrix Column : 0.38515 0.71687 0.09708
Blue Matrix Column : 0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
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Viewing Cond Illuminant : 19.6445 20.3718 16.8089
Viewing Cond Surround : 3.92889 4.07439 3.36179
Viewing Cond Illuminant Type : D50
Luminance : 76.03647 80 87.12462
Measurement Observer : CIE 1931
Measurement Backing : 0 0 0
Measurement Geometry : Unknown (0)
Measurement Flare : 0.999 %
Measurement Illuminant : D65
Technology : Cathode Ray Tube Display
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
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Profile CMM Type : Lino
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Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
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Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company
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Media Black Point : 0 0 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
Green Matrix Column : 0.38515 0.71687 0.09708
Blue Matrix Column : 0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
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Viewing Cond Surround : 3.92889 4.07439 3.36179
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Measurement Observer : CIE 1931
Measurement Backing : 0 0 0
Measurement Geometry : Unknown (0)
Measurement Flare : 0.999 %
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Technology : Cathode Ray Tube Display
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)

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