Severe memory leaks on certain sites
Followed FAQ advice and installed Leak Monitor add-on. Occasional leaks occur while surfing. On one site (Chase Bank online banking) leaks occur so often I can't keep up with closing the Leak Monitor alert windows. Why does this occur on particular sites? Is it a problem with the site or with Firefox (3.5.9)? What can be done about it? Thanks.
== URL of affected sites ==
https://chaseonline.chase.com/secure/LogOff.aspx
I gave address of Chase logoff page. Problem pages are:
https://chaseonline.chase.com/MyAccounts.aspx
https://banking.chase.com/AccountActivity/AccountDetails.aspx?AI=206979602
https://banking.chase.com/AccountActivity/SelectDownloadMethod.aspx?AI=206979602
These pages may be proprietary to my Chase accounts.
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Severe memory leak in LR5 (CC release v5.0) when cropping (rotating) images
I have a Quadcore i7 iMac with 12GB of memory. When I start LR5, there is 8GB remaining. With nothing else being done, as a edit some images, and especially when I am rotating images in the crop tool to level the horizon, fI sometimes get the "OSX beachball" and the memory immediately drops from 8GB to 10-20MB!!! The disk goes crazy and LR5 and the entire machine slows to a crawl. The only way to bring it back is to Force Quit LR5. But this has happened with the same picture twice already and am getting ready to try #3.
Please fix this .... this is definitely a bug as there is no reason it should eat 8GB of memory for doing an image rotate.There are a number of bugs that have been logged against crop/roate in Lr5. The engineering team are currently working to fix these.
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Hi,
we're load testing an application using Coherence. It uses a distributed cache, with an web application as the client, and separate cache servers implementing a Cache Store.
We're getting several memory leaks and one area that was reported was a great number of instances for the com.tangosol.coherence.component.util.daemon.queueProcessor.service.DistributedCache$GetRequest class.
Does anybody know what could cause these instances to be left hanging around? I think the Coherence classes ar a symptom of another problem rather than an issue with Coherence itself but it would be useful to know what could cause these objects to be left in the heap.
Thanks
MikeAfter further load testing, our application definitely seems to be leaking Coherence objects.
The classes seem to be com.tangosol.util.Binary &
com.tangosol.coherence.component.util.daemon.queueProcessor.service.DistributedCache$GetRequest.
During testing, the number of Binary objects rose 0 to about 9000 and the number of GetRequest objects rose from 0 to about 3600 in two hours.
The application stores objects in the cache and updates them, the main operation being to add to a very long log string required by the client to these objects, which represent sessions.
Our test keeps a constant number of these objects in the cache during the run, removing the same number it creates after it has ramped up to full load testing.
The application is stateless, it recieves frequent requests to get an object from the cache, work on it and put it back in the cache. The cache also has a cache store to persist the data to a database.
Are there any references to the cache objects that would stop them being garbage collected?
Our whole application is based in a simple stateless reqest/response operation and I cannot see where the huge number of objects is coming from.
Mike -
Observed Memory Leak When Invoking Controls in Workshop 8.1 sp3
Hello,
We have developed a website using Bea Portal 8.1 sp3. In testing we have observed severe memory leaking problems which occur also in the production environment where WebLogic is not being run in debug mode. The troubleshooting was started by profiling the testing environment (running in debug mode) using JProfiler. The leak was isolated to occur especially in control method invocation via InvocationHandler call. The object being leaked was character array. After further study we noticed that the method call which this framework InvocationHandler was delegating had especially large return value. Namely a map consisting of ~5Mb of content. After reviewing our own code for possible leak source and coming up with nothing obviously wrong we started to suspect that something was leaking memory in the WebLogic framework code. As the leaked object was character array we suspected that the framework was calling toString() method of the return value and the string was never released. To prove this we constructed a small test program which just demonstrated passing large object as arguments and return values in invocations to WebLogic Workshop control from page flow. The memory consumption in WebLogic monitor and console output proved that indeed the toString() method was invoked 1 times in invocation per argument and 2 times per return value. Furthermore by returning empty string in one test and string of several megabytes in other from toString() one could observe exactly matching memory leaking. Manual running of the garbage collector did not release the memory.
To resolve this problem we have tried to alter the Workshop logging configuration in WorkshopLogCfg.xml. Lowering the log level to debug in categories caused much more invocations to the toString() of the arguments. We did not monitor the memory leaking in this test. Raising all the category levels to fatal did not have effect compared to the original settings. Also removing all categories did not have effect on toString() calls.
We have established quite reliably that this leak occurs with our configuration both in development environment (Windows XP) and testing environment (Redhat Linux) both running WebLogic in debug mode. Both of these environments have out of the box log configuration. We have also observed memory leaking in production environment but it has not yet been profiled to see whether the leak is 100% surely due to this same problem.
We have not yet tested this in sp5 nor sp6. Switching service packs is not solution for as in the moment as we are not able to switch the service pack in production environment due to reasons which are out of our control.
We would appreciate confirmation whether this issue is real and any solutions available like configuration modification, patching or switching service pack. Also links to existing articles about this issue would be nice to have.
We can provide the testing code and some screenshots of memory usage via email. You can request it from tommi.laukkanen at xiiris.com.
best regards,
Tommi Laukkanen / WM-data Finland / Digital Media (tommi.laukkanen at wmdata.fi or tommi.laukkanen at xiiris.com)
Artti Jaakkola / WM-data Finland / Digital Media (artti.jaakkola at wmdata.fi)
PS. This is the console out from the test page flow invoking the control:
We have manually thrown and catched exceptions in toString() method to get the stack trace printed to console out.
java.lang.Exception
at Test.ControlTest.TestControlImpl$TestContainer.toString(TestControlImpl.jcs:43)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.context.WlwThreadContext.logReturn(WlwThreadContext.java:430) <---------------------
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.context.WlwThreadContext.endInvocation(WlwThreadContext.java:637)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:445)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:396)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:248)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.jcs.container.JcsContainer.invoke(JcsContainer.java:84)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseContainerBean.invokeBase(BaseContainerBean.java:198)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SLSBContainerBean.invoke(SLSBContainerBean.java:103)
at com.bea.wlwgen.StatelessContainer_ly05hg_ELOImpl.invoke(StatelessContainer_ly05hg_ELOImpl.java:99)
at com.bea.wlwgen.GenericStatelessSLSBContAdpt.invokeOnBean(GenericStatelessSLSBContAdpt.java:62)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseDispatcherBean.runAsInvoke(BaseDispatcherBean.java:153)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseDispatcherBean.invoke(BaseDispatcherBean.java:54)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcherBean.invoke(SyncDispatcherBean.java:160)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.invoke(SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.java:100)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.Dispatcher.remoteDispatch(Dispatcher.java:161)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.ServiceHandleImpl.invoke(ServiceHandleImpl.java:436)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl._invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:326)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl.invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:315)
at $Proxy19.testMethod(Unknown Source)
at Test.ControlTest.ControlTestController.begin(ControlTestController.jpf:58)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.invokeActionMethod(FlowController.java:1507)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.getActionMethodForward(FlowController.java:1433)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.internalExecute(FlowController.java:764)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowController.internalExecute(PageFlowController.java:211)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.execute(FlowController.java:594)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processActionPerform(RequestProcessor.java:484)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.process(RequestProcessor.java:274)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:650)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.RequestDispatcherImpl.forward(RequestDispatcherImpl.java:316)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.superForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1301)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor$DefaultHttpRedirector.forward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.ja
va:1317)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.doForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1199)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:637)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext$ServletInvocationAction.run(WebAppServletContext.java:6458)
at weblogic.security.acl.internal.AuthenticatedSubject.doAs(AuthenticatedSubject.java:321)
at weblogic.security.service.SecurityManager.runAs(SecurityManager.java:118)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.invokeServlet(WebAppServletContext.java:3661)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletRequestImpl.execute(ServletRequestImpl.java:2630)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.execute(ExecuteThread.java:219)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:178)
java.lang.Exception
at Test.ControlTest.TestControlImpl$TestContainer.toString(TestControlImpl.jcs:43)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.request.ExecResponse.toString(ExecResponse.java:53)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcherBean.invoke(SyncDispatcherBean.java:269) <---------------------
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.invoke(SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.java:100)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.Dispatcher.remoteDispatch(Dispatcher.java:161)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.ServiceHandleImpl.invoke(ServiceHandleImpl.java:436)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl._invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:326)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl.invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:315)
at $Proxy19.testMethod(Unknown Source)
at Test.ControlTest.ControlTestController.begin(ControlTestController.jpf:58)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.invokeActionMethod(FlowController.java:1507)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.getActionMethodForward(FlowController.java:1433)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.internalExecute(FlowController.java:764)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowController.internalExecute(PageFlowController.java:211)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.execute(FlowController.java:594)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processActionPerform(RequestProcessor.java:484)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.process(RequestProcessor.java:274)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:650)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.RequestDispatcherImpl.forward(RequestDispatcherImpl.java:316)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.superForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1301)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor$DefaultHttpRedirector.forward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.ja
va:1317)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.doForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1199)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:637)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext$ServletInvocationAction.run(WebAppServletContext.java:6458)
at weblogic.security.acl.internal.AuthenticatedSubject.doAs(AuthenticatedSubject.java:321)
at weblogic.security.service.SecurityManager.runAs(SecurityManager.java:118)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.invokeServlet(WebAppServletContext.java:3661)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletRequestImpl.execute(ServletRequestImpl.java:2630)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.execute(ExecuteThread.java:219)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:178)
java.lang.Exception
at Test.ControlTest.TestControlImpl$TestContainer.toString(TestControlImpl.jcs:43)
at java.lang.String.valueOf(String.java:2131)
at java.lang.StringBuffer.append(StringBuffer.java:370)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.context.WlwThreadContext.logInvoke(WlwThreadContext.java:363) <---------------------
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.context.WlwThreadContext.startInvocation(WlwThreadContext.java:608)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:414)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:396)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.container.Invocable.invoke(Invocable.java:248)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.jcs.container.JcsContainer.invoke(JcsContainer.java:84)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseContainerBean.invokeBase(BaseContainerBean.java:198)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SLSBContainerBean.invoke(SLSBContainerBean.java:103)
at com.bea.wlwgen.StatelessContainer_ly05hg_ELOImpl.invoke(StatelessContainer_ly05hg_ELOImpl.java:99)
at com.bea.wlwgen.GenericStatelessSLSBContAdpt.invokeOnBean(GenericStatelessSLSBContAdpt.java:62)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseDispatcherBean.runAsInvoke(BaseDispatcherBean.java:153)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.BaseDispatcherBean.invoke(BaseDispatcherBean.java:54)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcherBean.invoke(SyncDispatcherBean.java:160)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.bean.SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.invoke(SyncDispatcher_k1mrl8_EOImpl.java:100)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.Dispatcher.remoteDispatch(Dispatcher.java:161)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.ServiceHandleImpl.invoke(ServiceHandleImpl.java:436)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl._invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:326)
at com.bea.wlw.runtime.core.dispatcher.WlwProxyImpl.invoke(WlwProxyImpl.java:315)
at $Proxy19.testMethod2(Unknown Source)
at Test.ControlTest.ControlTestController.begin(ControlTestController.jpf:59)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.invokeActionMethod(FlowController.java:1507)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.getActionMethodForward(FlowController.java:1433)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.internalExecute(FlowController.java:764)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowController.internalExecute(PageFlowController.java:211)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.FlowController.execute(FlowController.java:594)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.processActionPerform(RequestProcessor.java:484)
at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor.process(RequestProcessor.java:274)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:650)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.RequestDispatcherImpl.forward(RequestDispatcherImpl.java:316)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.superForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1301)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor$DefaultHttpRedirector.forward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.ja
va:1317)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.doForward(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:1199)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowRequestProcessor.process(PageFlowRequestProcessor.java:637)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.AutoRegisterActionServlet.process(AutoRegisterActionServlet.java:527)
at com.bea.wlw.netui.pageflow.PageFlowActionServlet.process(PageFlowActionServlet.java:152)
at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.doGet(ActionServlet.java:507)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:740)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInvocationAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:996)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:419)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.TailFilter.doFilter(TailFilter.java:28)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at com.bea.p13n.servlets.PortalServletFilter.doFilter(PortalServletFilter.java:351)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.FilterChainImpl.doFilter(FilterChainImpl.java:27)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext$ServletInvocationAction.run(WebAppServletContext.java:6458)
at weblogic.security.acl.internal.AuthenticatedSubject.doAs(AuthenticatedSubject.java:321)
at weblogic.security.service.SecurityManager.runAs(SecurityManager.java:118)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.invokeServlet(WebAppServletContext.java:3661)
at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletRequestImpl.execute(ServletRequestImpl.java:2630)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.execute(ExecuteThread.java:219)
at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:178)
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tlaukkanHi
I did not find any known issues on this. But since you can replicate the issue, could you please contact BEA Support and open a case and have this followed?
Since we may have to do some testing/profiling etc with different service packs with your sample, it would be better to follow up via a support case.
Thanks
Vimala -
Hi,
We busy upgrading our apex and db from 3.0/10G to 4.1.1/11.2G and notice that there appears to be a memory leak when using APEX. At one stage we have had IE7 using over a gig of memory.
When you load or refresh your page IE7 seems to grab on average 2-5MB of memory for each page load. At first we thought it may have been our apps or setup but this also happens when we go to app 4550 page 1 on apex.oracle.com.
How to replicate:
Open task manager to view the Memory Usage.
Using IE7
1. Go to http://apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=4550:1
2. Go back to Task Manager and note the readings once the CPU Usage for iexplore.exe has stablised to 0.
3. go back to IE7 and press F5
4. Repeat steps 2-3 and you will see the Memory usage increases.
We think this maybe due to a few jQuery UI memory leaks within IE7 and thought this bug ticket maybe of interest http://bugs.jqueryui.com/ticket/7666 (Slightly different versions but similiar experiences)
Could someone else confirm that they also experience the increasing or have had similiar problems and managed to resolve it?
TBH, it wouldn't be an issue to use another browser like Firefox to access the builder but this also affects the applications if they include APEX standard Javascript and CSS.
Thanking you in advance.
Alistair
Edited by: Alistair Laing on Jun 16, 2012 2:32 PM
Added TagsAlistair Laing wrote:
Hi,
We busy upgrading our apex and db from 3.0/10G to 4.1.1/11.2G and notice that there appears to be a memory leak when using APEX. At one stage we have had IE7 using over a gig of memory.
When you load or refresh your page IE7 seems to grab on average 2-5MB of memory for each page load. At first we thought it may have been our apps or setup but this also happens when we go to app 4550 page 1 on apex.oracle.com.
How to replicate:
Open task manager to view the Memory Usage.
Using IE7
1. Go to http://apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=4550:1
2. Go back to Task Manager and note the readings once the CPU Usage for iexplore.exe has stablised to 0.
3. go back to IE7 and press F5
4. Repeat steps 2-3 and you will see the Memory usage increases.
We think this maybe due to a few jQuery UI memory leaks within IE7 and thought this bug ticket maybe of interest http://bugs.jqueryui.com/ticket/7666 (Slightly different versions but similiar experiences)
Could someone else confirm that they also experience the increasing or have had similiar problems and managed to resolve it?Anecdotally, yes. Don't have exact steps for replication or precise numbers, but I have noticed this in passing. On the junk that my client considers a PC suitable for web development the typical IE7 memory footprint with the APEX 3.0 builder and several other tabs running is about 52MB. Add APEX 4.1.1 and it climbs constantly until I have to pull the plug when it gets north of 150MB as the PC can't take it.
As well that I also have Firefox and 4.1.1 is still experimental at that site...
At the moment I don't have to resolve it and if I did the only option I'd propose is the replacement of IE7.
VC wrote:
Look at this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18440979
Alistair Laing wrote:lol @ VC - I dont shop online at work :-D
I saw that eariler this week. I do agree with the concept though.So take appropriate action: charge extra for IE7 support.
The amount of work and effort involved in making our website look normal on IE7 equalled the combined time of designing for Chrome, Safari and Firefox.Is entirely accurate. If it's stated as a requirement, itemise it as an extra on the quote.
Educate management and bean counters: show them the one line of standards-compliant CSS that's all that is necessary in Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera (and just possibly in IE8/9/10), how it isn't supported in IE7, and the tortuous hacks and workarounds that are required to get something equivalent working there. -
How to configure license file for Memory Leak tool and WL Server 9.2?
(I posted to general JRockit forum before realizing existence of this forum which is probably more applicable.)
Here's our problem:
Running latest version of WL 9.2 MP3 and JRockit Mission Control 3.0.1
Able to run Mission Control, and connect to the WL Server and to run View Console with no problems.
I can't get Memory Leak tool to run because it complains about needing a license file.
First I tried with off the shelf WL 9.2 MP3.
Get error:
A license for Memory Leak Detector could not be found on the JRockit at (1.5) weblogic.Server (192).
Error: Can not find component Memory Leak Detector for JRockit * in the license file. Please check http://www.jrockit.com/license for license updates.
So I downloaded license file from JRockit download site - wls92.zip. It contains several files, but no clear instructions on what to do with these files. I copied one of these files "LIC-WLSP92.txt" to my JRockit home as C:\bea\JROCKI~1\jre\license.bea
Tried again. Restarted WL server. Restarted JRockit Mission Control.
Get error: A license for Memory Leak Detector could not be found on the JRockit at (1.5) weblogic.Server (3052).
The license file does not exist at: C:\bea\JROCKI~1\jre\license.bea
Any advise on how to install license or who to contact for help?Installed Mission Control 3.0.3.
Got following message when I attempted to run Memory Leak:
A license for Memory Leak Detector could not be found on the JRockit at (1.5) weblogic.Server (192).
Error: Can not find component Memory Leak Detector for JRockit * in the license file.
Please check http://www.jrockit.com/license for license updates.
I believe that we're using the latest downloads of WebLogic 9.2.x and JRockit.
WebLogic is running using 9.2.3 and JRockit build R27.4.0-90_CR358515-94243-1.5.0_12-20080118-1154-windows-ia2
Contents of C:\bea\jrockit_150_12\jre\license.bea:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<bea-licenses>
<license-group format="1.0" product="JRockit" release="*">
</license-group>
</bea-licenses>
Could WebLogic be misconfigured?
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Question for all you Mac "Guru's" out there. I have an Imac (intel) with 2 512MB Memory Sticks and Have Noticed that there appears to be a memory leak in the OS. After several staggering hours It seems that the culprit is WindowServer and kernal_task. I have seen the WindowServer process Real Memory increase a couple of Kbytes every 3-4 seconds. My kernal_task seems to always be the process using the most memory of all.
After a fresh restart Kernal_task is using about 40MB and windowserver about 20MB. now if I let it sit for just a few hours those numbers almost double. I admit it could be something else, but i don't think so since i sit and stare at my activity monitor and nothing seems to change except for those 2 processes. Anybody else notice this at all?
I asked the snob at the Genius bar in the Chandler, AZ Apple store and he suggested to try re-seating the memory sticks and I have with no change. I have even done a fresh install of OS X and the updates to 10.4.7. I have noticed the problem since 10.4.5.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I don't have a lot of 3rd party software except for Firefox and thunderbird. All the apps that i use are Universal Binary with the exception of Quicken that came with my iMac.
Thanks
17" inch Intel Imac Mac OS X (10.4.4)On mdc open terminal and goto;
/Library/Filesystems/Xsan/bin
run as root
cvfsck -j <selectyourvolume>
to make sure journal is written out to volume
then run
cvfsck <selectyourvolume> until no errors are reported
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For about over a year, I'm trying to hunt down the memory leak in our server application. But after all the improvements I've made (especially with 'forgotten' listeners that didn't exist anymore), I'm confident that the application doesn't have a memory leak anymore. At least the new "jconsole.exe" tool of JDK 1.5 shows me a very intersting behaviour:
Even if the server app is doing nothing than one thread polling a database table for possible new jobs to process, the memory slightly increases over time ... very slightly. It's just like the screenshot at
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/management/jconsole.html#memory
where you might find a very slight tendency up. I run jconsole the whole day to track the application on a computer where no jobs got processed, so the application only sit there there whole day and just one thread has a loop that polls a database table via JDBC and doesn't get a result. The result is, that the memory chart is like the chart in the screenshot of the link above just with much more jaggies. About every 20 minutes, garbage collection seems to kick in, as the jaggie line drops about several megabytes just to increase again slowly.
Of course the thread loop creates objects but it doesn't hold any (debugged it several times and it is quite easy code). So this behaviour makes sense. But it doesn't make sense that the memory usage overall slowly increases over many hours (ultimativaly leading to an OutOfmemoryError).
So far, I still thought, it must be a memory leak in my application. But then, I played with jConsole and noticed this: if I just display the Memory Pool "Eden Space", the jagged line always drops down to the same level, i.e. no memroy leak. The "Survivor Space" is also constant in average (no memory leak). But the "Tenured Generation" line shows this memroy leak behaviour (slowly increases). This space is described as:
Tenured Generation (heap): pool containing objects that have existed for some time in the survivor space.
So, I'm not so sure anymore if this memory must be in my application. Unfortunately, jConsole doesn't show some kind of object tree that can be browsed and I would see what kind of object (collection) increase.
I tried profiling my application, but the profiled app runs so slowly that it would need many days or weeks until it's possible to identify some bad objects.
Is there another way to identify such memory waisters?Write a main() that does the polling in a tight loop 1000 times. Then System.gc(); Thread.sleep(1000); System.exit(). Run the thing with -Xrunhprof. Observe the "live bytes" and "live objs" columns in the generated java.hprof.txt file. Anything that strikes as suspicious? If every polling round leaks one object, there's likely to be 1000 (or N*1000) of something live. Make sure the leak is in the polling routine by running it 1,000,000 rounds and getting an OutOfMemory.
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FIrefox betrayed by its own "developers"? Memory Leak Work Around at Bottom
Firefox SUCKS memory and holds onto it. Try this test: Open it, leave ONE tab, open and sit back and and watch the damn thing crash.
Funny, as soon as the project people started getting so much money from Google that they had to restructure to avoid losing its non-profit status Firefox developed an insatiable thirst for RAM that has only gotten worse in the YEARS since. They won't fix the problem, they won't acknowledge the problem, the ignore every post about it . . . . So, is killing FF's user base the price for the continued Google money that they so quickly whored themselves out for? Has FF been run by Google these last few years? They certainly couldn't wreck any better.
Posted by Wahoo at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/939920
"Using ADD-ons to remove memory leak. Mozilla says to remove add-ons to fix leak. Firefox sucks memory. it always has and always will. Nobody wants to admit it exsists on the Mozilla side must less fix it. Firewalls , etc do not cause the leak. You can remove all your ad-ons and leave firefox open and it will suck memory. Every tab you open drains your memory and continues to climb without opening any more. You can then close all your tabs and Firefox will not release the memory. Just fix it guys, it cant be that difficult "
Posteby Onmicide at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/939920
"There is a way to stay on top of the memory usage:
Go to about:memory and scroll to the bottom. There are buttons there for garbage collection and minimizing memory usage. "Please try this two minute test.
'''Create a new Firefox profile'''
A new profile will have your system-installed plugins (e.g., Flash) and extensions (e.g., security suite toolbars), but no themes, other extensions, or other customizations. It also should have completely fresh settings databases and a fresh cache folder.
Exit Firefox and start up in the Profile Manager using Start > search box (or Run):
firefox.exe -P
Any time you want to switch profiles, exit Firefox and return to this dialog.
You'll click the Create Profile button. I recommend using the default location suggested, and to avoid data loss, not re-using any existing folder. Then start Firefox in the new profile you created.
What happens with memory usage with the two default tabs open, or another tab of your choice?
When returning to the Profile Manager, you might be tempted to use the Delete Profile button. But... it's a bit too easy to accidentally delete your "real" profile, so I recommend resisting the temptation. If you do want to clean up later, I suggest making a backup of all your profiles first in case something were to go wrong. -
I typically keep many windows with several tabs open. It is possible that this causes more crashes since the number of pages multiplies any effect most users with less pages/tabs would experience. I have been having problems with Firefox crashing Using the windows task manager I have looked into this issue monitoring lots of variables. Bottom line the crash is caused by increasing memory usage possibly caused by the flash add on which is doing many IO reads on at least one offending page/tab. Could some sites be using flash to read from my disk without permission and there is a memory leak in either flash of the code the sites uses? I have searched the web for a task manager like add-on for Firefox tabs that would allow me to determine the offending page/tab/add-on/extension. It seems like a great idea which has not been implemented. Since I am a developer I would be happy to implement, but would like some guidance since my knowledge of your product is only at the user level.
There is currently about:memory page which is being actively developed. A "task manager"of sorts is also in the works AFAIK. If you want to help out, your best bet is to find the applicable bug in Bugzilla. If you have the coding skills I can help get you in touch with a mentor - just let me know.
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Memory leak versus inactive memory
Hi:
My iMac was becoming painfully slow a year or so ago. This seemed to be due to a lack of RAM, so I upgraded (2 GB to 4 GB total). This worked great, but now I seem to be running out of memory again, even when there are not a lot of programs open.
I’ve started tracking memory usage with Activity Monitor, and typically a huge chunk of my memory is “Inactive”. I.e., at this time I have 215 MB free, 450 MB Wired, 1.6 GB active, and 1.7 GB inactive. This despite only having Word, Outlook, OmniOutliner, Safari and iTunes open. Under System Memory (in Activity Monitor) it says Finder at 250 MB, Word at 131 MB, iTunes at 120 MB, Outlook at 80 MB, OO at 46 MB, and Dropbox at 34 MB (then a bunch of smaller usages). Even being very generous, the total memory usage only seems to add up to ~1GB, far short of the 4 GB installed.
I have no idea what a real “memory leak” actually is, but I’ve heard the term bandied about. I’ve had some weird, nonreproducible system crashes in the last few months where the system just totally freezes, often (but not always) putting a nice colour pattern on the monitors. Looking around, some folks have said that this might be due to a memory problem since everything else seems to check out AOK.
Thus, several questions:
Might I have a “memory leak”? If so, how do I diagnose and fix it?
What is the 1.7 GB of “inactive” memory being used for? Why is my Free memory so small when this big chunk of inactive memory is sitting there?
Thank you very much!
OS 10.8.2, 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAMThe way Safari accumulates memory is normal. The way it is trying to page the memory to disc and error-ing is not. I think the integrity of your disc volume / catalog and directories may be to blame.
Try a bit of basic maintenance:
Repairing permissions is important, and should always be carried out both before and after any software installation or update.
Go to Disk Utility (this is in your Utilities Folder in your Application folder) and click on the icon of your hard disk (not the one with all the numbers).
In First Aid, click on Repair Permissions.
This only takes a minute or two in Tiger, but much longer in Leopard.
Background information here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25751
and here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302672
An article on troubleshooting Permissions can be found here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2963
By the way, you can ignore any messages about SUID or ACL file permissions, as explained here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1448?viewlocale=en_US
If you were having any serious problems with your Mac you might as well complete the exercise by repairing your hard disk as well. You cannot do this from the same start-up disk. Reboot from your install disk (holding down the C key). Once it opens, select your language, and then go to Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. Select your hard disk as before and click Repair.
Once that is complete reboot again from your usual start-up disk.
More useful reading here:
Resolve startup issues and perform disk maintenance with Disk Utility and fsck
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1417?viewlocale=en_US
For a full description of how to resolve Disk, Permission and Cache Corruption, you should read this FAQ from the X Lab:
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/repairprocess.html -
I think I've got a memory leak and could use some advice
We've got ourselves a sick server/application and I'd like to gather a little community advice if I may. I believe the evidence supports a memory leak in my application somewhere and would love to hear a second opinion and/or suggestions.
The issue has been that used memory (as seen by FusionReactor) will climb up to about 90%+ and then the service will start to queue requests and eventually stop processing them all together. A service restart will bring everything back up again and it could run for 2 days or 2 hours before the issue repeats itself. Due to the inconsistant up time, I can't be sure that it's not some trouble bit of code that runs only occasionally or if it's something that's a core part of the application. My current plan is to review the heap graph on the "sick" server and look for sudden jumps in memory usage then review the IIS logs for requests at those times to try and establish a pattern. If anyone has some better suggestions though, I'm all ears! The following are some facts about this situation that may be usefull.
The "sick" server:
- CF 9.0.1.274733 Standard
- FusionReactor 4.0.9
- Win2k8 Web R2 (IIS7.5)
- Dual Xeon 2.8GHz CPUs
- 4GB RAM
JVM Config (same on "sick" and "good" servers):
- Initial and Max heap: 1536
-server -Xss10m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false -XX:PermSize=192m -XX:MaxPermSize=256m -XX:+UseParNewGC -Xincgc -Xbatch -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../ -Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib -Dcoldfusion.dotnet.disableautoconversion=true
What I believe a "healthy" server graph should look like (from "good" server):
And the "sick" server graph looks like this:@AmericanWebDesign, I would concur with BKBK (in his subsequent reply) that a more reasonable explanation for what you’re seeing (in the growth of heap) is something using and holding memory, which is not unusual for the shared variables scopes: session, application, and/or server. And the most common is sessions.
If that’s enough to get you going, great. But I suspect most people need a little more info. If this matter were easy and straightforward, it could be solved in a tweet, but it’s not, so it can’t.
Following are some more thoughts, addressing some of your concerns and hopefully pointing you in some new directions to find resolution. (I help people do it all the time, so the good news is that it can be done, and answers are out there for you.)
Tracking Session Counts
First, as for the observation we’re making about the potential impact of sessions, you may be inclined to say “but I don’t put that much in the session scope”. The real question to start with, though, is “how many sessions do you have”, especially when memory use is high like that (which may be different than how many you have right now). I’ve helped many people solve such problems when we found they had tens or hundreds of thousands of sessions. How can you tell?
a) Well, if you were on CF Enterprise, you could look at the Server Monitor. But since you’re not, you have a couple of choices.
b) First, any CF shop could use a free tool called ServerStats, from Mark Lynch, which uses the undocumented servicefactory objects in CF to report a count of sessions, overall and per application, within an instance. Get it here: http://www.learnosity.com/techblog/index.cfm/2006/11/9/Hacking-CFMX--pulling-it-all-togeth er-serverStats . You just drop the files (within the zip) into a web-accessible directory and run the one CFM page to get the answer instantly.
c) Since you mention using FusionReactor 4.0.9, here’s another option: those using FR 4 (or 4.5, a free update for you since you’re on FR 4) can use its available (but separately installed) FusionReactor Extensions for CF, a free plugin (for FR, at http://www.fusion-reactor.com/fr/plugins/frec.cfm). It causes FR to grab that session count (among many other really useful things about CF) to log it every 5 seconds, which can be amazingly helpful. And yes, FREC can grab that info whether one is on CF Standard or Enterprise.
And let’s say you find you do have tens of thousands of sessions (or more). You may wonder, “how does that happen?“ The most common explanation is spiders and bots hitting your site (from legit or unexpected search engines and others). Some of these visit your site perhaps daily to gather up the content of all the pages of your site, crawling through every page. Each such page hit will create a new session. For more on why and how (and some mitigation), see:
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2006/10/4/bots_and_spiders_and_poor_CF_perfo rmance
About “high memory”
All that said, I’d not necessarily conclude so readily that your “bad” memory graph is “bad”. It could just be “different”.
Indeed, you say you plan to “look for sudden jumps in memory usage“, but if you look at your “bad” graph, it simply builds very slowly. I’d think this supports the notion that BKBK and I are asserting: that this is not some one request that “goes crazy” and uses lots of memory, but instead is the “death by a thousand cuts” as memory use builds slowly. Even then, I’d not jump at a concern that “memory was high”.
What really matters, when memory is “high” is whether you (or the JVM) can do a GC (garbage collection) to recover some (or perhaps much) of that “high, used memory”. Because it’s possible that while it “was” in use in the past (as the graph shows), it might no longer be “in use” at the moment .
Since you have FR, you can use its “System Metrics page” to do a GC, using the trash can in the top left corner of the top right-most memory graph. (Those with the CFSM can do a GC on its “Memory Usage Summary” page, and SeeFusion users can do it on its front page.)
If you do a GC, and memory drops q lot, then you had memory that “had been” but no longer ”still was” in use, and so the high memory shown was not a problem. And the JVM can sometimes be lazy (because it’s busy) about getting to doing a GC, so this is not that unusual. (That said, I see you have added the Xincgc arg to your JVM. Do you realize that tells the JVM not to do incremental GCs? Do you really want that? I understand that people trade jvm args like baseball cards, trying to solve problems for each other, but I’d argue that’s not the place to start. In fact, rarely do I find myself that any new JVM args are needed to solve most problems.)
(Speaking of which, why did you set the – xss value? And do you know if you were raising or lowering it form the default?)
Are you really getting “outofmemory” errors?
But certainly, if you do hit a problem where (as you say) you find requests hanging, etc., then you will want to get to the bottom of that. And if indeed you are getting “outofmemory” problems, you need to solve those. To confirm if that’s the case, you’ll really want to look at the CF logs (specifically the console or “out” logs). For more on finding those logs, as well as a general discussion of memory issues (understanding/resolving them), see:
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2010/11/3/when_memory_problems_arent_what_th ey_seem_part_1
This is the first of a planned series of blog entries (which I’ve not yet finished) on memory issues which you may find additionally helpful.
But I’ll note that you could have other explanations for “hanging requests” which may not necessarily be related to memory.
Are you really getting “queued” requests?
You also say that “the service will start to queue requests and eventually stop processing them all together”. I’m curious: do you really mean “queuing”, in the sense of watching something in CF that tells you that? You can find a count of queued requests, with tools like CFSTAT, jrun metrics, the CF Server Monitor, or again FREC. Are you seeing one of those? Or do you just mean that you find that requests no longer run?
I address matters related to requests hanging and some ways to address them in another entries:
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2010/10/15/Lies_damned_lies_and_CF_timeouts
http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2009/6/24/easier_thread_dumps
Other server differences
You presented us a discussion of two servers, but you’ve left us in the dark on potential differences between them. First, you showed the specs for the “sick” server, but not the “good” one. Should we assume perhaps you mean that they are identical, like you said the JVM.config is?
Also, is there any difference in the pattern of traffic (and/or the sites themselves) on the two servers? If they differ, then that could be where the explanation lies. Perhaps the sites on one are more inclined to be visited often by search engine spiders and bots (if they sites are more popular or just have become well known to search engines). There are still other potential differences that could explain things, but these are all enough to hopefully get you started.
I do hope that this is helpful. I know it’s a lot to take in. Again, if it was easier to understand and explain, there wouldn’t be so much confusion. I do realize that many don’t like to read long emails (let alone write them), which only exacerbates the problem. Since all I do each day is help people resolve such problems (as an independent consultant, more at carehart.org/consulting), I like to share this info when I can (and when I have time to elaborate like this), especially when I think it may help someone facing these (very common) challenges.
Let us know if it helps or raises more questions. :-)
/charlie
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