Shake, After Effects, Motion?

Is Shake equivalent to After Effects? Also, where does Motion fall into the scheme of things. Im trying to understand what the differences is between all 3 of these programs. I have no experience with any of them. Can someone explain and suggest what they think is the best program to learn?

Well,
There are many things that all 3 apps can do that are either equal or similar.
You can key, composite and generate, to a degree, in all. Each do things better than the others.
AE and Motion are layer based apps (like Photoshop).
Shake is node based.
AE and Motion do particles and text effects really well out of the box.
Over on mograph.net the same question was just asked. Below are some of the responses:
Shake is really great at:
Using one object to matte many things at once- no pre-composing, no unneccesary multiple matte layers.
Compositing files that contain z-depth information in z-space.
Complex keying and color correction.
Floating color calculations (for example, multiple instances of brightness contrast, hue saturation, curves, levels, and other color correcters are all calculated together as one operation, so the image doesn't get crunchy and lose it's integrity).
It has arguably the best written software manual EVER. Seriously.
It's really non-linear.
It's more suited towards compositing and finishing, and less towards graphics content creation. If you are switching from AE to Shake, download the AE plugins for shake from High End 2D.
And:
IMO shake is good at tuning fine color corrections, 3d composite, roto and tracking.
And:
Shake is good at setting up things at the core of what Compositing is all about. Concatenation and Piping nodes together. It seems to be more of a VFX kinda tool. I couldn't see design type or anything to mograph with it.
But it does do some cool things that in AE takes longer or can't do. Like being able to offset the tracker and the roto tool. You can link a tracker to a mask point.

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