Sharpening in Lightroom and/or Photoshop

It appears to me that I can obtain all necessary sharpening, including improved midtone contrast (normally obtained with the High Pass Filter in Photoshop) using the tools available in Lightroom 2.4.
I am considering the following Lightroom only workflow: 1. Capture sharpen using Sharpening and Clarity. 2. Local sharpening using the Adjustment Brush. 3. Output sharpening using the appropriate module for the output.
Given this workflow, are there any reasons to use Photoshop for sharpening? What can Photoshop do that Lightroom cannot do when sharpening photographic images?
Thank you.

Procedure is to apply global sharpening optimised for high frequency then send this image to Photoshop as a Smart Object. In Photoshop you create another smart object using the first as the master (i.e. Layer>Smart Objects>New Smart Object via Copy). This Smart Object will have the same sharpening parameters as the master (i.e. the one created by Lightroom). Double click the smart object to open in Camera Raw. Adjust sharpening parameters for low frequency areas then close Camera Raw (Click OK). The new smart object will be obscuring the underlying high frequency smart object. Next we create a Layer Mask (first select low frequency layer) by holding down Alt/Option key then click on Layer Mask button at bottom of Layers panel. Select your brush, adjust to size, adjust opacity to around 30 to 50% (lower is probably better) and begin to brush away mask to expose underlying high frequency smart object.
EricBier wrote:
I do not understand why using the LR adjustment brush to brush in sharpening is different from brushing in sharpening on a layer mask in PS.
Adjustment Brush uses the parameters as the Detail panel, so you're going to have a hard time getting values that are appropriate for both high and low frequency sharpening. If Eric drops by he may provide more info on the Detail panel link to Adjustment Brush.

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That is confusing to me because after reading Bruce Fraser's book on sharpening, capture and content sharpening were treated as two different processes. If I understood correctly capture sharpening for digital captures was based on the characteristics of the camera and the file size of the image, with larger megapixel files receiving a smaller radius. In addition, I read that the radius in content sharpening is dictated by the dominant characteristics of the subject matter being sharpened, with high frequency subject matter receiving a smaller radius and low frequency receiving a higher radius.
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Since Lightroom and ACR are capable of recognizing the camera make and model as well as the file size, are they applying capture sharpening behind the scenes that is tailored to that specific camera and file. If not, then how are we achieving both capture and content sharpening in the same operation?
Sharpening for both capture and content in one pass would seem to conflict with some of the basic concepts elaborated on in Bruce Fraser's book. I am assuming that since Lightroom is using Photokit Sharpener routines, that they have accounted for the capture portion of the sharpening, but I don't see that stated explicitly anywhere in anything that I have read. If they have, I say kudos to everyone involved as that would be great. I'm just looking for a clearer understanding of what's happening.
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Following the ultimate logic of the "sharpening workflow" might make you conclude that Capture sharpening and output sharpening are purely scientific steps where you should not make ANY creative decision at all and that creative decisions are only to be made in the creative sharpening step. In the real world, there are creative decisions and decisions determined by the content matter that enter into the capture step too just like in the output step. You might like extra-crunchy prints for example, but somebody else might prefer softer prints making you approach the output sharpening with a creative intent. The sharpening workflow was probably (Jeff will know more about the history) more of an attempt to arrive at a more rational way of approaching the process and to provide a guideline. It is probably not meant to rigidly separate the workflow up in defined steps where in the 1st step you're not allowed to think or look at the image, in the second step you can go completely wild, and in the last step you have to close your eyes again. The goal was probably to make the photographer realize that the different steps have a different purpose. Not to make you turn off your creative genius or to treat the process like a black box.
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