Should "External Editor" setting and "Send To..." be independent?

Hi
I've noticed that in FCP 5.1.1 and 5.1.2 on both PPC and Intel machines if I set the System/External Video Editor to an app like AE, when I use the "send clip to Motion' in the timeline it still opens AE!
Almost like The External Editor has to be set on Motion to use the 'send to Motion' command.
Despite the seperate 'Open in Editor' command ... which kind of suggests these 2 things are independent. At least to me!
Anyone else?
Lee

It appears that 'send to editor' and 'send to Motion' have an odd synergy when AE is set as the external editor.
In this setup, if you use 'send to motion', a motn project is created but is sent to AE for processing. AE (in my case v5.5) doesn't know what to do with it ... and the whole thing turns to mush. If you use 'send to editor', AE opens fine. If Motion is the external editor, it works as advertised.
Interesting. Probably worth a bug/ feedback report.
x

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After that I may want to send to Photoshop.
If I make any ajustments in Aperture (to the filtered file - the new TIFF master) before sending to the second external editor thos adjustments will be ignored.
For example -
I start with a RAW file. I make adjustments in Aperture. All Good.
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In summery the adjustments made after the first "send to external editor" do not carry to the second "send to external editor"
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Am i looking at a bug here?
Any others had this experience.

Here is an Apple provided tip for working with Photoshop as an External Editor (which by extension currently applies to any use of third-party software used to edit images in conjunction with Aperture).
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5128
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External editor linking and data loss

Hello,
I know this has been discussed before, but there seems to be a bit of confusion in some of the posts here and I'd like a fresh answer, please
I'm using Photoshop as my external editor for iPhoto. When double-clicking a photo in iPhoto, one of three things will happen:
1) If the original photo was a RAW photo, it will open the RAW in PS. (I've chosen this function in iPhoto).
2) If the original photo was a jpg and it has NOT been edited at all, (this includes even rotating the photo), iPhoto will send the original jpg (from the "Originals" folder in iPhoto) to PS. I can double check this by choosing "Save As..." in PS to see the source directory.
3) If the original photo was a jpg and it HAS been edited, iPhoto will send the modified jpg (from the "Modified" folder in iPhoto) to PS. I can double check this by choosing "Save As..." in PS to see the source directory.
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- Is there anyway to always open the original photo with photoshop?
- Can't Apple come up with a more efficent way to rotate a photo without having to save an entirely new version of the photo in the "Modified" folder?
- (This is a toughy): I know that resaving a jpg in an image editing program like PS can recompress the jpg everytime you save, and this brings down the quality of the shot. When iPhoto saves a new rotated version of a jpg, does it lose quality as a second generation? I know that the file size changes, (2.8MB for the original, 2.1 for the modified), so has this new "Modified" jpg been recompresed?
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mario
- Is there anyway to always open the original photo with photoshop?
Yes, duplicate the Original (Right click -> Duplicate) but there is no way to have multiple modifieds associated with a single Original. (however, this is possible in Aperture).
- Can't Apple come up with a more efficent way to rotate a photo without having to save an entirely new version of the photo in the "Modified" folder?
Im sure they can, but here's the thinking about it: iPhoto never changes the Original. Rotation is a change, so, the modification is made on a copy. Why should there be an exception for rotation? And if you make an exception for rotation, why not red-eye?
- (This is a toughy): I know that resaving a jpg in an image editing program like PS can recompress the jpg everytime you save, and this brings down the quality of the shot. When iPhoto saves a new rotated version of a jpg, does it lose quality as a second generation? I know that the file size changes, (2.8MB for the original, 2.1 for the modified), so has this new "Modified" jpg been recompresed?
Not a toughy at all. Everytime you save a jpeg it is recompressed. Yes, data is thrown away as testified to by the file size.
What you're looking for here is lossless editing. From your questions, I think you're reaching the limit of iPhoto. It may be time to look at Aperture, which can do lossless editing, have a single Master associated with many versions etc. Definitely a learning curve...
Regards
TD

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Terrence,
Thanks for the comments. I appreciate the help. Sounds like you have considerable expertise in what I need to learn. Some of what you said I do not understand. If you could clarify these points it would help me more.
You say "No it's not like this with any editor used as an external editor in iPhoto." I assume you mean an external editor would edit the photo while the photo remains within the iPhoto database, so export to edit followed by import to return the edited photo to iPhoto would not be needed. Is this correct?
You say "... Intensify isn't an editor, it's a non-destructive database-based application." In my very limited reading and experience, it seems Intensity modifies single image files. How is an application intended to modify image files to change their appearance not an editor? How is an application intended to work with single files a database-based application?
While posting here I also asked MacPhun support a similar question. They replied "This editing procedure is fine, you can send the edited image from Intensify to iPhoto as shown at the screenshot attached."
The menu choice shown does allow saving in iPhoto after pressing in Intensity. However, the edited image imported into iPhoto has lost metadata such as found faces, places and comments associated with the original, and it is placed in a new Event. That MacPhun support refers to the product of what Intensity does as "the edited image" shows why I referred to Intensity as an image editor.
You say "In essence, you cannot use a non-destructive processor as an editor" yet "With Aperture I have used it as a plug-in." To me this sounds like one can use Intensity as a non-destructive processor if Intensity's function is accessed as a plug-in. That is, the necessity to export images from iPhoto to "process" (what I would call edit) them in Intensity results from how Intensity and iPhoto access the image files, not from the type of processing involved.
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On further consideration I realize that non-destructive, eh, processing of an image requires storing the original plus the processing steps which have been implemented. This seems similar to what iPhoto's built-in editing functions do. However, I suspect Intensity's more complex processing of the image requires a more complex file structure, which iPhoto cannot read or write.
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You say "There is no plug-in for iPhoto - perhaps you should ask the developers to make one." Agreed. Not for iPhoto, which is being terminated, but for its replacement Photos.

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I know I can add a second editor, but I want to change the first one and I can't find a way to do it.
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Go to this registry key:
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Photoshop.exe
and in right-hand panel there are two keys:
Default (type REG_SZ) with value:
>C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS3\Photoshop.exe
and Path (type REG_SZ) with value
>C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS3
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http://blog.rrdphoto.com/2007/05/how-to-fix-lightrooms-edit-in-photoshop.html
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I occasionally want to edit a number of photos from my iPhoto library in an external editor (Photoshop). I have properly configured (as far as I know) the "Edit in external editor" setting, and it works correctly when I select a single photo. When I batch select multiple photos, the results vary: regardless of how many photos I select, Photoshop will only open somewhere between 1 and 4 of them. It seems to do better with shift+click to select rather than cmd+click, but in no case will it open more than 4 photos. Much of the time it will only open 2 photos, even if I have selected 7 or 8.
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No there isn't. You can't send more than four at a time I'm afraid.
Regards
TD

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My Imac has been upgraded to Mountain Lion, iPhoto 11 and PS Elements 10. Now right-clicking shots in iPhoto browser brings up external editor choice and will then open PSE 10, but not the shot ( I have to drag shot to desktop, open with PSE10, save, import back to iPhoto - a huge step backwards). Same software ( iPhoto 11 and PSE10) works fine, albeit slowly) on my Macbook Pro running Lion. Please help?

You're selecting the wrong item as the editor in the Adobe PSE folder. It's fooled a lot of us in the past. This is the file you want to select as the external editor:
I may be preaching to the choir here but maybe the following will enlighten a bit on using PSE as the external editor:
Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.
1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.
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My apologies if you've already seen the above.
OT

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Faces issue when selecting 'edit with CS4' (or any other external editor)

Ok, so I have a work flow where I effectively use Nik Plugins. I have the complete set so that i can use them in Aperture and CS4. I correct exposure and white balance and crop in Aperture but then have automators set up in CS4 to apply Nik plugin effects via a batch change process ie no manual adjustments needed, start the batch and come back 20 mins later. Anyway thats somewhat irrelevant....
Once stage one is done in Aperture I select faces and see that all looks fine. Suggestions appear over faces etc as you'd expect. BUT if I then select edit with CS4 (via right click) on that image it creates a duplicate image (as its non-destructive) and opens it in CS4. Fine. But if you go in to Aperture the faces on this duplicate image are now all messed up. They are not at all over peoples faces but seemingly in random places. Right click and selecting detect faces does nothing. So in summary if I edit anything with CS4 and hit save so that the changes appear in Aperture then hit faces to tag people I have to effectively start from scratch and delete all the faces (not over peoples faces) and add new faces.
The best way to illustrate this is with screenshots. See this link for 2 screenshots of the issue. http://adamlewis.zenfolio.com/screenshot
Can someone else confirm they have this issue at all first off to see if it is a specific issue to myself or a generic Aperture issue?
After that I guess we can proceed with troubleshooting and solutions.
PS I have repaired my library and rebuilt it and have upgraded Aperture to the latest 3.2.2 (released today / yesterday but note the issue was found under 3.2.1 so its not a 3.2.2 specific issue).

Maybe I should have made it clearer in my original post. The 1st paragraph was just for colour. The fact of using Nik has nothing to do with the issue. The below quote is the issue:
"Suggestions appear over faces etc as you'd expect. BUT if I then select edit with CS4 (via right click) on that image it creates a duplicate image (as its non-destructive) and opens it in CS4. Fine. But if you go in to Aperture the faces on this duplicate image are now all messed up. They are not at all over peoples faces but seemingly in random places."
Thus the issue is generated by merely selecting Edit with CS4. ie no editing done in CS4 and not even saved in CS4. Just selecting edit with CS4 in Aperture creates the duplicate image in Aperture (and sends it to CS4 but lets assume we do nothing with it there at all) but creates a duplicate with face tags in the wrong places.
After further investigation I changed my external editing software option in preferences to Pixelmator and the same issue occurs.
So to replicate the issue in my place there are 2 simple steps that I need to make (and would like tested by someone else):
1. Tag some peoples faces in an Aperture image
2. Select edit with (any external editor)
Then go back in to Aperture (immediately) and select faces on the duplicate image created and see if the faces are in the correct position.
Note I have my external editor set to TIFF 8 Bit 300dpi using Adobe RGB colour space.
Thanks for your time.
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Connecting Photoshop as an external editor?

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Are you sure when you set up external stills editor in your FCP preferences you selected the correct .app file.. I ask because my Photoshop CS is only 45 MB not the 82 you listed.
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Am I missing something very obvious?
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No, you are right. My nice 16 bit file goes to 8 bits
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I have done a search on this basic question, but everyone is at least one step ahead of me. I found lots of questions about using external editors, but none on why to use one if the first place.
It's self-evident that the basic answer is to extend Aperture's capabilities. So let me narrow the focus of my question as follows:
1. Just out of curiousity, there must be at least some overlap in things that Aperture does and what the external editor can do, correct?
2. Can you share some guidelines as to when you would stay in Aperture itself and when you would use the external editor through Aperture?
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Good questions, Ben!
And probably the answers are a matter of taste and personal preferences, and depending on the workflow we are using.
2. Can you share some guidelines as to when you would stay in Aperture itself and when you would use the external editor through Aperture?
For me, the escape to an external editor is an occasionally necessary evil, if I really need to do things well, that Aperture cannot do. The problem is, that using an external editor will break Aperture's lossless workflow; it will create an additional original image file, and Aperture cannot undo the edits done in the external editor. And the additional original files will be gigantic 16bit tiffs or PSD files. So I would never use the external editor without a pressing need.
I use an external editor, if I need to create images with transparency or do advanced retouching that requires the composition of two or more images. That are things that Aperture cannot do.
Or, if I have images that need lens correction or perspective correction.
3. An obvious question is why use Aperture when you have an external editor?
I use Aperture first of all, to keep my images organised - my Aperture library is my database of all photos I have taken during my lifetime.
And I use Aperture to edit the images and to keep track of the edited image versions and how they relate. For 99% of my image processing needs Aperture is sufficient and great.
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