Should I upgrade to Tiger from Panther on a 6 year old G4?

Although my machine excedes the minimum requirements for Tiger, I have held off on upgrading for a long time, because when it first came out, I heard reports that it was much slower than Panther on older macs.
I now, however, have two pieces of software that I want to run that require Tiger, so I am debating again whether to upgrade. My computer is stable and runs well, and I don't want to hurt that or slow it down significantly.
My computer is a dual 550Ghz G4 with 640 mb of Ram and about 5 Gigs of free boot drive space. I did get the DVD rom drive installed when I bought it, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Should I upgrade?

Hi Matthew,
since you already run 10.3.9 it does not make much sense to upgrade. Many of the new features of Tiger will not run on your computer due to limited hardware resources. If you are happy with Panther, stay with it until you buy a new computer. My G3/900 iBook runs happily with Panther as well.
BTW: 10.4. Tiger is NOT slower than Panther, in some situations it is even faster.
If this answered your question please consider granting some stars: Why reward points?

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Upgrade to Tiger from panther

Can anyone help me? We have upgraded our software from Panther to Tiger and now can not log into the main account, therefore can not access any applications or email. The machine has two partitions if that has anything to do with it.
Can anyone help?

Hello boing:
Welcome to Apple discussions.
Partitioning an internal HD on a Mac is, IMHO, both a waste of time and potential trouble. Answer, yes it could be related. However, you did not say how you upgraded or what you used to upgrade (full retail version).
I assume you do not have a bootable backup of your previous system ( avery good procedure before any updates).
If you can provide more details, someone here may be able to help.
Barry

Upgrade to Tiger from Panther questions

I checked some of the old (2007) questions that are similar to mine, but they don't exactly address my questions, because of the upgrade separation of the systems in question. So I'm entering a new question that might hopefully save me some trouble.
I haven't been using my Powerbook G4 very much, lately, but I do use it occasionally for light video editing and more especially for slideshows. I like making slideshows on iMovie beter than other application I have on my other computers.
I keep reading the upgrade methodology... supposedly using the Snowleopard boxed set. The hype makes it sound as if it's capable of upgrading an Inel or PPC equipped Mac. That just sounds too good to be true, so here I am to ask for some experience based advice to make this potential change a little easier. Which disks should I purchase to make this upgrade as easy as possible?
Should I upgrade my RAM? Would an upgrade to more than the existing 512 meg be advised, or is it pretty mandatory? I am always fighting byte-bulge, as it is, so would an upgrade to a HDD larger than the existing 80 gigs be worth the extra money? Any particular size/brand to consider more than others?
My present complaint is an inability to do anything at all with the iTunes store, as most of you probably know. This wasn't so bad prior to adding Win7 machines to my network... but they seem to have completely shut out the Mac... and a Win XP machine, to boot. It's just a hassle to swap fairly large files with thumb drives.
Any upgrade advice and methods for upgrading from Panther to Tiger would be much appreciated.

Sorry, no G4 or any PPC Mac is going to be able to use Snow Leopard/10.6.x
10.5.8 is the most your G4 can use, & yes, max out the RAM.
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
    * Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
    * 512MB of memory (I say 2GB at least)
    * DVD drive for installation
    * 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
You have to call Apple & likely ask for a Product Specialist to get it, if they still have it! Helps to tell them you have an iPad/iPhone & you can't run 10.6.
There are workarounds if the 867MHz is the only hangup...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/leopardassist/
BTW, 10.3.x is Panther, 10.4.x is Tiger, 10.5.x is Leopard, 10.6.x is Snow Leopard & not PPC compatible.

Upgrading to tiger from panther--please help me out!!!

I have a 17" imac, running on Mac OS X 10.3.9. I bought the new ipod nano, which needs Tiger at least. I went to the Apple Store, and they told me to buy Tiger online, since the Apple store doesn't carry it anymore.
So I searched ebay and Amazon and was dismayed that it was still so expensive. The Apple store customer service guy told me it would be cheap. Well, I kept my eyes peeled for a while, and finally found it available from allmac.com through Amazon for $75. It listed the system requirements, which I met.
I got it in the mail yesterday, and was shocked to see "CPU Drop in DVD" and "not to be sold separately" on the DVD. I put it in the disc drive, and it immediately was spit out. This happened repeatedly. I checked on discussion boards about this problem and found that perhaps my superdrive needed to be updated. I tried this, and it didn't need it after all.
So, today I tried inserting the disc again. Magically my computer recognized the disc. Then I opened the disc from Finder and clicked the "install" icon. A screen popped up telling me to restart my computer, which I did. The restart took a lot longer than normal, and I noticed that there was a completely gray screen that lingered for around a minute or two. Then the "finder" icon popped up in the middle of the screen, and it continued to restart as normal. No installation procedure ever appeared.
Then I thought perhaps I was doing something wrong, so I went to my Apple Store and talked to one of their technical support guys, and he told me that the DVD I bought should not have been sold, but it should still upgrade my computer just fine.
Well, I went home, tried it countless more times, all with the same result.
I'm getting really frustrated. I don't want to be out $75, and I'd really like to start using my iPod. I run long distances, and it's the only thing that keeps me going sometimes. My old iPod no longer holds charge for more than 20 minutes (even with a 10 hr battery expansion pack I purchased), which is what got me into this mess to begin with.
IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME IN ANY WAY, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT!!!!!!!

Awoz,
Not sure what kind of iPod you have, but what about trying to fix the battery instead of going through all this? Some third-party services are able to put in a fresh battery for probably less than the $75 you paid for Tiger.
You could return the Nano if you're still in the return period, or sell it on eBay, or keep it just in case. Amazon will probably let you return the DVD once you explain they weren't allowed to sell it. I've returned CD and DVD disks before, so it is possible.
Tiger is great, but you don't know what other problems you may run into once you have it installed. May be easier in the long run to fix your old iPod and keep what you have, since it appears you're happy with it and it does what you need.
Just a thought. Good luck...

IChat Crashing after Upgrad to Tiger from Panther

I have recently upgraded from Panther to Tiger (10.4.4) Now when I iChat with friends, either my iChat or theirs will die. I have read some of the other posts regarding the iChat crashes and have run the iChat -7 logging command. Here is the terminal output from the crash. I would love to get any feedback on what the causes could be. I see a segmentation fault at the end, but I assume the problem occurs prior to that.
Thanks!
210855.717008 Loading hardware rules from hardwarerulesH264-G5.plist
210855.717720 Checking H264 hardware rules
210855.717841 Satisfied rule #2 (30:320x240)
210855.718238 setLocalUserName: Thomas [email protected]
210855.739169 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_INIT, from: VC_INVALID
210855.740204 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_IDLE, from: VC_INIT
210855.740263 ++++++++ confStatusMapRemoveAll
210855.740279 ( ) -- mapUserIDToSecurityInfo cleared --
210855.740609 UPnP init passed
210855.740804 NATTraversal created
210855.741021 QT automatic setting = 1
210855.741048 Bandwidth based on QT prefs = 0
210855.747569 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210855.747618 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210855.747632 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210855.747643 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210855.747719 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210855.747733 VCCapAudio
210855.747742 VCCapVideo
210855.747755 VCCapMultiAudio
210855.747764 VCCapMultiVideo
210855.747773 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210855.747782 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210855.799386 Found 1 cameras:
210855.799499 - 2857630787837915
210855.800810 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.841513 Microphone devices:
210855.852676 iSight Built-in
210855.853363 Line In
210855.853460 Digital In
210855.853566 Selected mic: iSight
210855.853812 Found 1 cameras:
210855.853895 - 2857630787837915
210855.853981 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.855393 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.857630 Microphone devices:
210855.857810 iSight Built-in
210855.858119 Line In
210855.858188 Digital In
210855.858273 Selected mic: iSight
210855.858585 Found 1 cameras:
210855.858671 - 2857630787837915
210855.858735 selectedCamera GUID returned
210855.861493 selectCameraByGUID: 2857630787837915 returned 1
210855.869303 Microphone devices:
210855.869815 iSight Built-in
210855.870293 Line In
210855.870641 Digital In
210855.871288 Selected mic: iSight
210856.046933 Send VCHardwareChanged: 1.
210856.051549 Received VCHardwareCapsChangeNotification
2006-03-02 21:08:56.052 iChat[18104] Hardware Caps Dictionary: {
HasCamera = 1;
HasDV = 0;
HasMic = 1;
HasQ8 = 1;
Q8List = ({FirmwareVersion = 16973870; GUID = 2857630787837915; IrisState = 1; });
210856.052238 Found 1 cameras:
210856.052369 iSight - 2857630787837915
210856.052557 selectedCamera GUID returned iSight
210856.052870 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210856.052906 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210856.052919 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210856.052962 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210856.053136 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210856.053173 VCCapAudio
210856.053218 VCCapVideo
210856.053254 VCCapMultiAudio
210856.053291 VCCapMultiVideo
210856.053326 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210856.053351 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.688239 Microphone: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.688479 Microphone: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210858.694329 Microphone devices:
210858.694388 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.694495 iSight Built-in
210858.694774 Line In
210858.694807 Digital In
210858.694901 Selected mic: iSight
210858.840386 SIPManager init
210858.841797 selectedCamera returned iSight
210858.892635 Microphone devices:
210858.892696 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.892855 iSight Built-in
210858.893188 Line In
210858.893252 Digital In
210858.895823 Microphone devices:
210858.895876 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.895983 iSight Built-in
210858.896260 Line In
210858.896295 Digital In
210858.899621 Microphone devices:
210858.899678 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.899808 iSight Built-in
210858.900197 Line In
210858.900237 Digital In
210858.902432 Microphone devices:
210858.902477 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.902573 iSight Built-in
210858.903587 Line In
210858.903651 Digital In
210858.905486 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210858.905539 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210858.905551 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210858.905561 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210858.905632 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210858.905645 VCCapAudio
210858.905654 VCCapVideo
210858.905664 VCCapMultiAudio
210858.905673 VCCapMultiVideo
210858.905682 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210858.905691 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210858.914861 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210858.914958 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210858.914972 Temporal prefilter disabled
210858.915155 startPreview returned 0
210858.937747 VCDelegate conforms to VideoConferenceDelegate protocol.
210858.938618 setLocalUserName: [email protected]
210858.940032 ( ) setValidatedIdentity: [05A9F770]
210859.037201 Found 1 cameras:
210859.037303 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.037461 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.039633 Microphone devices:
210859.039688 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.039848 iSight Built-in
210859.040289 Line In
210859.040333 Digital In
210859.040493 Selected mic: iSight
210859.041110 Found 1 cameras:
210859.041198 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.041552 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.044345 Microphone devices:
210859.044407 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.044592 iSight Built-in
210859.045025 Line In
210859.045070 Digital In
210859.045221 Selected mic: iSight
210859.052380 Found 1 cameras:
210859.052564 iSight - 2857630787837915
210859.052657 selectedCamera returned iSight
210859.054842 Microphone devices:
210859.054941 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.055073 iSight Built-in
210859.055529 Line In
210859.055667 Digital In
210859.055808 Selected mic: iSight
210859.070024 Microphone devices:
210859.070182 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.070321 iSight Built-in
210859.070659 Line In
210859.070735 Digital In
210859.072602 Microphone devices:
210859.072693 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.072816 iSight Built-in
210859.073120 Line In
210859.073222 Digital In
210859.075537 Microphone devices:
210859.075990 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.076340 iSight Built-in
210859.077132 Line In
210859.077358 Digital In
210859.079567 Microphone devices:
210859.079618 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.079775 iSight Built-in
210859.080200 Line In
210859.080302 Digital In
210859.083136 Microphone devices:
210859.083197 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.083382 iSight Built-in
210859.083821 Line In
210859.083867 Digital In
210859.085842 Microphone devices:
210859.085895 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.086059 iSight Built-in
210859.086479 Line In
210859.086521 Digital In
210859.089814 Microphone devices:
210859.089963 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.090098 iSight Built-in
210859.090436 Line In
210859.090518 Digital In
210859.092931 Microphone devices:
210859.092987 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.093095 iSight Built-in
210859.093356 Line In
210859.093393 Digital In
210859.095235 Microphone devices:
210859.095282 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.095365 iSight Built-in
210859.095613 Line In
210859.095649 Digital In
210859.097632 Microphone devices:
210859.097690 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.097799 iSight Built-in
210859.098055 Line In
210859.098093 Digital In
210859.100060 Microphone devices:
210859.100108 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.100206 iSight Built-in
210859.100461 Line In
210859.100497 Digital In
210859.102269 Microphone devices:
210859.102312 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.102393 iSight Built-in
210859.102631 Line In
210859.102666 Digital In
210859.104885 Microphone devices:
210859.104940 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.105048 iSight Built-in
210859.105306 Line In
210859.105342 Digital In
210859.107121 Microphone devices:
210859.107164 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.107246 iSight Built-in
210859.107480 Line In
210859.107515 Digital In
210859.109491 Microphone devices:
210859.109592 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.109711 iSight Built-in
210859.110137 Line In
210859.110233 Digital In
210859.112092 Microphone devices:
210859.112140 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.112231 iSight Built-in
210859.112505 Line In
210859.112664 Digital In
210859.115023 Microphone devices:
210859.115085 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.115195 iSight Built-in
210859.115451 Line In
210859.115488 Digital In
210859.117436 Microphone devices:
210859.117483 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.117576 iSight Built-in
210859.117830 Line In
210859.117865 Digital In
210859.119623 Microphone devices:
210859.119682 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.119770 iSight Built-in
210859.120017 Line In
210859.120051 Digital In
210859.122167 Microphone devices:
210859.122225 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.122333 iSight Built-in
210859.122592 Line In
210859.122628 Digital In
210859.124719 Microphone devices:
210859.124772 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.124864 iSight Built-in
210859.125219 Line In
210859.125289 Digital In
210859.127140 Microphone devices:
210859.127189 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.127278 iSight Built-in
210859.127521 Line In
210859.127560 Digital In
210859.129416 Microphone devices:
210859.129505 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.129616 iSight Built-in
210859.129924 Line In
210859.129988 Digital In
210859.131877 Microphone devices:
210859.131970 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210859.132078 iSight Built-in
210859.132369 Line In
210859.132466 Digital In
210859.269417 SNATMAP Configuration Data: snatmap://snatmap.mac.com:5678
210859.269482 acquireSNATMAPConfigurationProc: Refresh UPnP status via SIP
210859.269718 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210859.269756 Transport(UDP) Thread start...
210859.270918 Sending SNATMAP heartbeat to 11FAF895:5678
210859.356385 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in IP change (from: 0 to: 46763DD9)
210859.356439 SNATMAP heartbeat resulted in port change (from: 0 to: 5060)
210859.676711 Updating local frame notification.
210900.356452 UPnP not found (-3)
210900.357558 SIPUpdateExternalInfo, force = 0
210900.357616 count of local IP's = 2
210900.357634 LOCAL: ifname=[external], IP=[70.118.61.217], PORT = 5060
210900.357646 LOCAL: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020a:95ff:fe99:cdba], PORT = 5060
210900.357664 LOCAL: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.106], PORT = 5060
210900.357676 LOCAL: ifname=[en0~], IP=[63.87.254.149], PORT = 5060
210906.319521 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210906.319574 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210906.319587 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210906.319598 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210906.319677 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210906.319693 VCCapAudio
210906.319703 VCCapVideo
210906.319712 VCCapMultiAudio
210906.319722 VCCapMultiVideo
210906.319731 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210906.319740 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210906.326002 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceStartedForParty:([email protected])
210906.326083 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_SIGNALING, from: VC_IDLE
210906.326100 initiateConferenceCallUsingRemoteIPAndPortData - start
210906.326259 [ipAndPortData length] = 160
210906.326276 Length is valid: YES
210906.326330 CALLEE: ifname=[external], IP=[65.33.107.56], wPort = 5060
210906.326345 CALLEE: ifname=[en0(IPv6)], IP=[fe80:0004:0000:0000:020d:93ff:feac:a3ca], wPort = 5060
210906.326374 CALLEE: ifname=[en0], IP=[192.168.1.100], wPort = 5060
210906.326692 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
2006-03-02 21:09:06.342 iChat[18104] IPAndPortList: ({ip = "65.33.107.56"; port = 5060; }, {ip = "192.168.1.100"; port = 5060; })
210906.342178 =========== OpenPorts!
210906.428105 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16384
210906.515276 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16385
210906.599734 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16386
210906.686685 Public mapping: 70.118.61.217:16387
210906.688644
VideoConferenceFramework version 245.0 - 02102005 - Dec 15 2005
210906.688709 Checking H263 hardware rules
210906.688766 Satisfied rule #1 (30:1)
210906.689464 selectedCamera returned iSight
210906.690311 * Caller SDP *
210906.690712 v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 %RTP-IP%
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio %ARTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video %VRTP-PORT% RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO %ARTCP-PORT% VIDEO %VRTCP-PORT%
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.690872 SIPConnect start...
210906.691271 TAInviteClientProc Thread start...
210906.691586 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210906.691637 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (924) (492)
210906.691651 Send to 41216B38:5060 [INVITE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 492
v=0
o=thomasmcnabb 0 0 IN IP4 70.118.61.217
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 70.118.61.217
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:288:2:2000
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:YES
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:-30191636
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:320:240:320:240
a=rtpID:1203564515
210906.718261 [[SIP/2.0 100 Trying
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.718447 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.718536 ##### (2)Trying...
210906.719053 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Trying
210906.721595 [[SIP/2.0 180 Ringing
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210906.721746 Dialog(CREATED) Match(STATUS) [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433]
210906.721837 ##### (2)Ringing...
210906.722241 VCSendNotificationProc: name = VCInformation, data = Ringing
210907.157916 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK508b6a0c7624b453
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 385
v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.158085 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.158165 TAInviteClientProc Thread end(0)...
210907.158330 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.158494 Send to 41216B38:5060 [ACK sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK0ed9241f6e43d35b
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 ACK
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.158584 Start heartbeat to 41216B38:5060
210907.158621 SIPConnect stop(0)...
210907.158666 SIP connect returned 0
210907.158684 Call initiated with callID = 2
210907.159928 Callee User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.159982 * Callee SDP *
210907.160037 Selecting QCELP.
210907.160072 Conference_SetPayload: audio = 12, video = 126
210907.167201 v=0
o=Herbie 0 0 IN IP4 65.33.107.56
[email protected]
c=IN IP4 65.33.107.56
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1333
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12
a=rtpID:1661367484
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:160:120:160:120
a=framerate:20
a=rtpID:-549225265
210907.167822 SIPSendMessageAll start...
210907.183310 [[SUBSCRIBE sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>
Event: conference
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.183648 SIPSubscribeProc Thread start...
210907.183888 Dialog Match(REQUEST): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.184034 TANonInviteServerProc Thread start...
210907.184242 SubscriptionHandleProc start...
210907.184406 | | | | --- iBodyLen 0
210907.184636 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.184668 Send to 41216B38:5060 [SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.33.107.56;branch=z9hG4bK3d3859b573993ef3
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 1 SUBSCRIBE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Expires: 3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
210907.184787 SIPSubscribeProc Thread end(200)...
210907.184774 SendNotify start...
210907.185166 TANonInviteClientProc Thread start...
210907.185318 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP IS BINARY? (0)
210907.185352 ( )( )( )( )( ) TP TEXT BODY (736) (213)
210907.185366 Send to 41216B38:5060 [NOTIFY sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
Contact: <sip:[email protected]>;isfocus
Event: conference
Subscription-State: active;expires=3600
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/conference-info+xml
Content-Length: 213
<c-i v="0" st="f" en="sip:[email protected]">
c<h>i</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
c<h>o</h><m t="a"/><m t="v"/>
</c-i>
210907.216132 [[SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 70.118.61.217;branch=z9hG4bK3dc0b74750f92fba
To: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1311623995
From: "[email protected]" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=1138821433
Call-ID: b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106
CSeq: 2 NOTIFY
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Length: 0
]] from 41216B38:5060
210907.216288 Dialog Match(STATUS): [b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-ac4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106]=[b1c1faec-aa5a-11da-9eb6-a c4c826b13c4@192-168-1-106], [1138821433]=[1138821433], [1311623995]=[1311623995]
210907.216396 SendNotify stop(0)...
210907.406249 Avg=3509858.70, NSDev=97.13%
210907.554900 Avg=1193085.60, NSDev=98.36%
210907.911483 Avg=523906.90, NSDev=6.84%
210907.943506 Orig: Upstream = -499.246kbps, Downstream = -500.168kbps
210907.943573 Final: Upstream = 499.246kbps, Downstream = 499.246kbps
210907.943686 Caller detected bandwidth (kbits/s): 499 up, 499 down. (00000000)
210907.944064 ( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( )( ) KEY EXCHANGE 1!
210907.944132 ( )( )( ) ---- [email protected] valid:
210907.944147 ( )( )( ) ---- <nil> valid returned 0
210907.944161 ( )( ) - Overall conference secure: was 0, is 0, count 1
210907.944179 ( )( )( ) ---- @ enabled set to 0
210907.944237 ( )( )( ) ---- @ valid set to 0
210907.944260 Invoke delegate method vcc:securityChanged:
210907.944472 Preparing to send VCInitiateConferenceCompleted
210907.944531 Invoke delegate method vcc:initiateConferenceCompletedForParty:([email protected]) - retcode: 0
210907.957045 BWD: GotBandwidth: 486450/9588361 (up/down) @[192.168.1.106:255.255.255.0]
210907.957110 BWD bandwidth: 486 kbits up, 9588 kbits down.
210907.957122 videoNetworkCapable: 1 -- 3 max participants.
210907.957134 audioNetworkCapable: 1 -- 9 max participants.
210907.957216 vcCapabilities returns: 0x0000003f
210907.957234 VCCapAudio
210907.957244 VCCapVideo
210907.957253 VCCapMultiAudio
210907.957262 VCCapMultiVideo
210907.957271 VCCapMultiAudioHost
210907.957281 VCCapMultiVideoHost
210907.957318 ( )( )( ) ---- {nil} enabled returned 0
210907.971592 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected]
210907.971677 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithIndex: 0
210907.971731 Remote User Agent: Viceroy 1.2
210907.971803 upstream_kbits = 499, downstream_kbits = 499
210907.971964 applyImageSizeDowngradeRuleForPayload: 126 bitrate: 499
210907.971984 Reducing framerate to (15) due to bitrate of (499) < (500)
210907.971996 H264: Downgrade rule #3 (160.000000:120.000000:15) --> (160.000000:120.000000:15)
210907.972030 Conference_SetBitrate: 499000
210907.972044 SetBitrate from 0 to 499000
210907.972055 Conference_SetFramerate: 15
210907.972067 Diffusion prefilter disabled
210907.972079 Temporal prefilter disabled
210907.974098 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.975157 Speaker: callback thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.975324 Speaker: null device thread: STANDARD; EXTENDED timeshare: 0; PRECEDENCE importance: 17
210907.977247 =================== ActiveCount += 1
210907.977439 setPeerToPeerInfoInMapForUserID: [email protected], payload = 126, (160 x 120)
210907.977590 Set video format - payload: 126 size: (160 x 120)
210907.977615 SetBitrate from 499000 to 499000
210907.977642 =========== StartTransmit!
210907.977710 Conference_RecvThread start
210907.980581 Camera_HasAudio = 0
210907.983093 TRANSMIT: 65.33.107.56:16386:16384 hardwareframe:30 determinedframe: 15 key:-1 determinedbitrate: 499
210907.983196 ### NEW STATE: to: VC_BUSY, from: VC_SIGNALING
210907.983243 AGC = 1
210907.983264 MULTIPOINT VC_API: startConferenceWithUserID: [email protected] returns YES
210908.162846 RTP: recv started
210908.162907 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.189312 RTP: recv started
210908.189381 RTPTransport: need to wait for SRTP to init? (0/0)
210908.470214 Updating remote frame notification.
210908.470149 Lock: Camera.c:1638 waited on VideoPlayer.c:347 for 100.891 ms
210909.995407 Entering SPIKE
210909.995907 Leaving SPIKE
Segmentation fault

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Upgrading to tiger from panther

I have 2 G4 ppc one has tiger installed with the origianl disk includes Xcode version10.4,6 2Z691-5811-A I installed the disk int the Panther system and the disk just kept ejecting. since then i have learned you can't do it that way. How can you remove the panther program to upgrade to tiger???? inlayman terms.
thanks jackjumper

Welcome To  Discussions jackjumper!
If the Mac G4 meets the Tiger System Requirements, as Roger Wilmut1 posted, you must purchase a Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD.
The discs must look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on them.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (U.S.).
Additionally, Tiger 10.4.x ships on a DVD, so if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you will have to use an alternative method of installation.
Info here Installing Tiger Using Firewire Target Disk Mode.
And here Installing Tiger Without A DVD Drive.
The Tiger Media Exchange Program, referred to, is no longer available.
There is also a version available on CDs, at FastMac, for $179.99.
Once Tiger 10.4.x is installed, you can use the PPC 10.4.11 Combo Update, to upgrade to the current version.
ali b

If i am installing tiger from panther will i lose my old files?

i have panther 10.3.3 for my eMac. and i basically locked myself out of the computer. i bought it online and it didnt come with any boot cds or manuals. i asked the guy for the password and he doesnt remember it. is there any way around that?
someone told me to boot up the computer with tiger. so i ordered the dvds online. will this work?
also i wanted to know if i will lose all my other files that were saved with panter!
please get back to me.

Hi Redlight,
you will not loose anything. Make sure you buy the retail full install DVD, then follow this procedure: 10.4 Tiger Upgrade: Decision tree+Checklist

Upgrade to Tiger from 10.3.8

Hi, I tried to upgrade to Tiger from 10.3.8 and after it showed everything was ok a message came up and said errors occured try again. Do I need to be at 10.3.9 to upgrade to Tiger or doesanyone have a suggestion. I don't want to go to 10.3.9 because I'm runnig PT 6.9 and it's not compatable with 10.3.9. I dont want to do a clean install only an upgrade. Thanks

I hope you understand that if PT does not work with 10.3.9, it will not work with Tiger.
Often when you get the message that errors have occured, it's because you need to repair your hard drive and permissions before trying to upgrade. Try the following:
Boot from your Tiger DVD. After the installer loads select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your OS X volume from the list on the left, click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now try the upgrade to Tiger.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (3.0.3 for Tiger) and/or TechTool Pro (4.1.1 for Tiger) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.

Should I download mountain lion ? I have a 2 year old mac book prok

Should I download mountain lion ? I have a 2 year old mac book pro

This isn't really a case where we can tell you what to do. You have to tell us more about your computer use and needs and we can make suggestions.
Do you need it?
2 years old means you're probably running OS 10.6-something. Do you have any really old software you use? You may have to update some of that too. sometimes people spend a few dollars on Mountain Lion and then hundreds on associated requirements such as hardware upgrades, or a lot of software that needs newer versions.
Are you planning on buying a new computer in the next year or two?

HT201328 Hello apple I am Mario Zubac from Bosnia and Hercegovina 17 years old. I have a problem..i bought a iphone 4 from a guy in Mostar and he said it was locked on Telenor Sweden. I have contacted Telenor and they said that the phone is reported stol

Hello apple
I am Mario Zubac from Bosnia and Hercegovina 17 years old.
I have a problem..i bought a iphone 4 from a guy in Mostar and he said it was locked on Telenor Sweden.
I have contacted Telenor and they said that the phone is reported stolen,and that they cant do anything to help me.
The person who sold it to me dosent reply over www.pik.ba
Please help me, i wont to unlock it,or just contact the person who reported it the real owner and return it back if nonthing.
Thank you a lot

We are all iphone users just like you.
You are not addressing Apple here.
Apple does not track lost or stolen iphones at all.

HT1349 should i replace the battery if my laptop is 3 years old and wont start up or recieve power ... took it to apple and the guy readjusted my battery and it was fine for two days and same thing happened? thinking of buying a new battery

should i replace the battery if my laptop is 3 years old and wont start up or recieve power ... took it to apple and the guy readjusted my battery and it was fine for two days and same thing happened? thinking of buying a new battery

I am bemused and have to ask how one "readjusts" a battery?

Oxford922 Panther bug . Should I upgrade to Tiger ?

I am running out of space and need a new external drive . The Fantom Titanium was recommended on another thread but at their site .
http://www.fantomdrives.com/
I found this warning .
http://www.micronet.com/support/fwpanthercomp.asp
I have a tiger disc for my powerbook . Should I upgrade or was this fixed with 10.3.9 and could I even upgrade with just 3gigs left ?
Powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.6) Panther eMac

I feel like I'm barking up a lot of trees with no info in them .
I'm hearing from a lot of disscussions that the drives with the Oxford 911 or 922 chipsets are essential for audio storage . One guy says he likes the Fantom Titanium but they don't have the Oxford . The Glyph seems like the best for audio but it is just way to expensive .
Powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.6) Panther eMac
Powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.6) Panther eMac

Upgrading PPC Mini from Panther to Tiger... Worth it?

Hi all
I'm currently running a PPC Mini 1.4ghz 1gb memory with OS10.3.9.
Would this machine run the latest version of Tiger ok?
Is Tiger more efficient than Panther? Would I notice any speed increase/decrease?
Should I wait until Leopard is available to upgrade (if I can install on a PPC Mini)?
Lots of thoughts at the moment, I'd appreciate your comments.
Thanks, Lee

Hi all
I'm currently running a PPC Mini 1.4ghz 1gb memory
with OS10.3.9.
Would this machine run the latest version of Tiger
ok?
Yes, most certainly. I run Tiger on a G4 Mac bought in late 1999 - the mini you own is considerably more powerful, and will run Tiger just fine. It will not render 'core video' effects, but the only OS-based example of this is the inamous 'ripple effect' in Dashboard. Doesn't stop you adding widgets, they just don't show the ripple effect when dropped onto the desktop.
Is Tiger more efficient than Panther? Would I notice
any speed increase/decrease?
Yes, Tiger is more efficient in terms of user interface code, so the user typically gets the sense of it running a little faster.
Should I wait until Leopard is available to upgrade
(if I can install on a PPC Mini)?
I would certainly expect Leopard to be compatible with PPC systems including the mini since even by next year, there will be considerably more PPC Macs in service than Intel models. For Apple (or indeed any developer) not to continue effective PPC support for a while yet would be economically disastrous.
As to whether you should wait.... well Panther is a great operating system in its own right, so there's no imperative to do so, but Tiger has a more rounded and complete feel to it, and of course is required for some applications like iLife 06. It also contains some very neat enhancements such as Dashboard - though much can be emulated in Panther with utilities.
In my view Tiger is worth it for the slightly better interface speed and general feel.

Should i upgrade to Tiger?

i have a 1.25ghz eMac g4 w/ 512 RAM. ..should i upgrade from 10.3.9? or do you think it will be slow on this machine?

Hi jonathan berry2;
First of all let me say that the upgrade from Panther to Tiger improved the performance on my old G4 so much I was able to delay the hardware upgrade until the PowerMac Quad came out six months later.
I don't generally recommend hold off on either operating system or hardware upgrades but in this case since Leopard is so close I would suggest waiting. If you wait you can see if your system can run Leopard which I suspect it will be able to then you can get Leopard. If not, you can get Tiger probably at a discount.
Allan

Should I upgrade to tiger or leopard?

I am currently running 10.3.9 on my G5. I have no issues with the system, other than the ipod I just bought requires 10.4.8 or higher. I need to upgrade, so do I go with tiger or leopard? I know it's my decision, but I would like input from other more experienced mac users. I don't want to end up with a lot of problems with my computer; I don't know much about fixing them. I mostly use my computer for music, pictures, and the internet. Is it in my best interest to just upgrade to tiger to avoid as many problems as possible, or should I buy leopard since the two cost the same? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

moeron81 wrote:
Is it in my best interest to just upgrade to tiger to avoid as many problems as possible, or should I buy leopard since the two cost the same?
There are already a lot of legal, retail Tiger DVDs on eBay and Craigslist, at dramatically reduced prices. Since these are fully legal copies, that would be an easy way to upgrade to Tiger 10.4.10 for $50 or so....
http://tinyurl.com/2khn8j

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