Showing customers Pantone colors vs. CMYK

I have some clients out of state that occasionally want Pantone colors run.  We have CMYK digital presses and (except on rare cases) only run that.  Is there a way in Illustrator to accurately show a client via PDF proof a Pantone square next to the same Pantone made out of CMYK and have them tell if it is a "close enough" match?
Unfortunately most of these clients don't have a CMYK vs. Pantone comparison book.  I also realize they would have to have a calibrated screen to view whatever I sent them but is there anyway there would be an accurate way to do this?
Thanks.

I agree.  Their monitor vs. your monitor is completely subjective and would not be the most accurate way to proceed.  This brings up a very good subject on color, color viewing, and color accuracy.  Even if their monitor was setup exactly like yours, no two moniotrs, even the same brand, will display the same color(s).  Add to that no two humans see color the same way.  I know this sounds like splitting hairs, but it's true.  Probably the best thing to do is print an actual press sheet with a series of swatches ( say, 5 at the most ) with slightly different percentages that are +/- 2-5% deviates of the original and send them that.  Have them look at it on the actual paper they plan to use for the job.  You'll be surprised which one they choose.  In the end, they will be the ones to decide, but at least they have accurate information to go on.

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    Dear all!
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    My best regards,
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    JET

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    John Stanzione
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    Pantone, LLC

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    For my projects I need to work in CMYK with process colors. Today, after looking at my Pantone color guide book here in my office I found a color I wanted to use for a client's project. Next I selected the swatches palette to display Pantone process uncoated colors. To my confusion the color I wanted to use (PMS PC 633) was not in the list of Pantone Process Uncoated color swatches.
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    Sorry for posting before Googling the topic. Found this:
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    Bart's tip is ideal if you have the time to send mail. If there's no time for mail delivery and you typically proof online, lay a sample print and a pantone color chip on a scanner and send them the scanned image over the internets. They'll be able to compare any color shift from both color samples in the same scanned image, even if their monitors are whacked.

  • CMYK Pantone breakdowns different Pantone Color Bridge

    I was wanting to know why the color breakdown that Indesign gives for a Spot Pantone color is different to the one specified in a Pantone Color Bridge book. Also the color on screen that Pantone Color Bridge breakdowns show seems more accurate than the ones specified by Indesign.
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    Jono10 wrote:
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  • I want to print or export (PDF) a design with a indication of the used pantone colors without the separations so that our customer can see them (not CMYK)

    Before i used CS illustrator i was able to indicate the used pantone colors on a print or PDF with coreldraw.
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    Mylenium

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    Hi,
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