Showing Paragraph and Span styles in TLF

Hi,
Can we show Paragrpagh and Span styleNames applied to a TLF text ?
Something like the image below shows the Style Names in the Red box:
Thanks.

TLF doesn't support that natively. You'd have to add to TLF to build that. I'd propose adding listeners to the TextFlow for editing and scrolling events and then synchronizing the alternate view of the data.
Hope that helps,
Richard

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Sorry for this question (and my terrible English, by the way), I'm a javascript noob and I know when I've reached my limits.
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Okay, tried a few things and got really weird results!
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Document | Application | ParagraphStyleGroup
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We recently did some tests with PDF to ePub export (different settings, different tools). What we saw is that none of the tools were able to respect paragraph and text styles. They just threw some text back to the screen (ePub Reader). This brought us to the philosophical discussion whether it is possible to export / add character and paragraph style information in a PDF, as we know it from e.g. Adobe InDesign (via the content stream, through metadata) so "a" tool can access that information to use it for exporting (properly) to ePub or another file format. So is there a PDF-standard or 'variant' (PDF/X, PDF/VT, PDF/A, ISO 32000 as such) that would make such a construction possible? And if so, would 'a' tool (e.g. PDF to ePub conversion tool) be able access that information to translate the style info etc. to another file format (e.g. a proper e-Pub file). BTW: we tried 'Create tagged PDF' out of Adobe InDesign, but that didn't help the outcome very much.
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i used fireworks for a while, when it was still macromedia product, glade to see all the improvments in CS5.
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Changing fonts in paragraph and character styles (AppleScript, Grep or JavaScript)

I have been trying the javascripts in this discussion:
Adobe Community: Specified font need to be changed in all paragraph styles
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Hi James. Just a few threads down the list there is this: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1198632?tstart=0
Even the name of the thread is similar to yours.
But first, you should do a bit of housecleaning in your font library. From your description it sound like a big mess.
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The fonts you are trying to use are in the font library or in the indesign document's folder?
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sudo atsutil databases -remove
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sudo atsutil server -shutdown
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have a look here also:
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was in Times. I deleted all the pre-set styles trying to fix the
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existing image and it will show, but not if I place it new. When
trying to Manage Site, I kept getting a "Home page is not on
this...." message. Please help me figure out what I have
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>Home page is not on this...
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when I realized
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Hi James. Just a few threads down the list there is this: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1198632?tstart=0
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But first, you should do a bit of housecleaning in your font library. From your description it sound like a big mess.
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The fonts you are trying to use are in the font library or in the indesign document's folder?
While Mac is a lot better than Windows in managing multiple fonts/font versions, it's also a lot more "fragile" if something goes wrong with a font.
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Hmmmmmm not too sure what you are saying here (faking my way through applying it to a paragraph and anchored objects).
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Chef Salad
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I wanted the name of the menu item (Chef Salad) to be 30 pt, Times New Roman, Red text (no container fill), drop shadow.
Lets also say I want the description (the Bla bla bla) to be 15 pt, Arial, Green text, and small drop shadow.
From what I understood you to say(write), I would have to make a Object style for Chef Salad (and I guess another Object style for the description)given that I want to use special effects.
What has been one of the more confusing things about ID (and believe me, I have been watching hours and hours of Lynda.com, Youtube, and reading a book/DVD on the subject) is when to use paragraph styles, Character styles and now Object styles.
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I don't want to keep bugging you so if you have someplace that really gets into the proper place and time to use these styles I will go there (if I haven't been there already).
However, if it is pretty easy for you to elaborate some more, that too would be greatly appreciate.
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PS Nice looking web site you have.... I am up there viewing it now.

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Michael Murphy is the InDesign style-meister. He wrote "Adobe InDesign Styles" for Adobe Press, and did a great Lynda.com title on InDesign styling. Here's what he says in the book:
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OS: Win XP SP 2
Product: RoboHelp HTML 6
Output: WebHelp
I am finding some instances of needless inline styles and
span tags in some topics in a project. Around these problematic
instances are plenty of instances that have no problem. I used
non-problematic instances as guides for correcting the problematic
instances. Fortunately, RH hasn't overwritten any of my
corrections.
I am concerned about the insertion of needless inline styles
and span tags at two levels. First, I see them as indicators of
inconsistency. Whether the inconsistency is in myself or in RH, I
don't know (but I want to eliminate it). Second, needless code is
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SAMPLE 1
RH6 created: blah blah yaddi
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I corrected: blah blah yaddi yaddi
SAMPLE 2
RH6 created: blah blah yaddi
yaddi
I corrected: blah blah yaddi yaddi
SAMPLE 3
RH6 created: blah blah yaddi
yaddi
I corrected: <>blah
blah yaddi yaddi

Some of this has to do with how users have applied styles in
WYSIWYG mode; for example, if you double click a word (which
selects the space after) and apply Bold, then later select the word
by dragging the cursor to select only the word (which doesn't
select the space after), RH will usually surround the selected
characters with "normal" span tags and often leave the bold in
place.
This same type of style formatting might have been repeatedly
done in the original form that might have been imported (Word,
Frame, etc.). So, then, if you compound the code bloat from an
imported file with additional formatting in RH, well you do the
math.
I've seen code wherein a six-word sentence might be saddled
with as many as 10-12 SPAN tags and might stretch into 6-7 lines of
code!
However, these are still flat files, not binary; you'd need a
ton of extra code to increase the aggregate file size a lot. Heck,
your graphics will usually take more room than your topics. One of
our child projects has 153 .htm files at 3.25 MB, whereas the
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always been this: until the underlying code affects the format I
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