Shuffle USB Problem - Some Observations

I decided to start a new thread with some additional observations I have made regarding the Shuffle and USB problems. Some of this already appeared as a reply to the "ipod usb" thread. Anyway recapping from my previous post:
When plugged into the USB port of my machine, the front LEDs (above the control area) flash the following:
GREEN and ORANGE (YELLOW?) flash together for between 1/4 and 1/2 second. This is followed by the GREEN LED alone for about 1.5 seconds. 3 seconds of nothing, then it repeats. The battery condition LED on the back (below the ON/OFF switch blinks ORANGE for about 1/4 second every 4 seconds.
Plugging the Shuffle into another computer (a laptop), the Shuffle is recognized and the LEDs behave normally.
Now the weird thing is that the Shuffle had worked on the machine where it is now not recognized. In fact the iTunes 7.0.1 diagnostics show the serial number of the Shuffle as the last iPod connected. Also, the USB on the iTunes machine is a USB 1.0 and on the laptop is USB 2.0.
NEW OBSERVATIONS:
My 20GB Click Wheel iPod works fine under 7.0.1. The fact that it works leads me to believe the USB port and power are fine. If it the USB port can drive a hard disk iPod, it better be able to drive a Shuffle!
I loaded up the version of iTunes that came with the Shuffle on another Windows 2000 box I have. The Shuffle was recognized and did a RESTORE on it. Windows even recognized it. The version of Windows IS NOT as currently patched as the computer on which I have iTunes 7.0.1 installed.
I uninstalled iTunes 7.0.1 and installed version 6.0. Aside from 6.o not starting because some file got converted, Win2000 still did not recognize the Shuffle.
So here are my thoughts:
1) A recent Windows 2000 patch causes Shuffles to be ignored by the OS. There is a comment about a problem like this with XP, but I was not able to find anything Win2000 related. The machine I am having problems with is up to dat with regard to patches.
2) If V7.0.01 is the problem, even uninstalling it and reinstalling an old version of iTunes leaves some part of the driver or something that still causes problems.
3) The Phillips Pronto remote software I installed somehow causes a bad interaction with only the Shuffle. Remember, my click wheel iPod still works!
Right now I am leaning towards an issue specific to Windows2000 and the Shuffle. Maybe a conspiracy to get us all to buy Zunes?
If anyone has additional observations or suggestions on how to fix the problem, I (and a bunch of other people) would really like to hear from you.
Thanks!
Don

Okay, I got focused on the fact that other machines
would recognize my Shuffle, but not my main machine.
It dawned on me that the Windows Registry stores
information about USB devices whether or not they
are plugged in, so I snooped around and found the
entries for the iPod.
I did some searches and found a reference to this MS
KB article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315539/en-us
Basically describes how to show the "hidden" (i.e.
removed USB) devices. Went into the USB section and
deleted the 2 entries I had for iPods (my Shuffle and
20GB click wheel).
Plugged my Shuffle in and BINGO! Windows recognized
the Shuffle and iTunes 7.0.1 recognized the Shuffle!
In fact, as I write this post, my poor little
Shuffle is having my jogging play list reinstalled
since it got wacked by the 'restore' on the other
machine.
Bottom line, it looks like I managed to solve my
green and orange LEDs of death problem!
Your mileage may vary!
Good luck!
Don
Yes, great, this is a fix for this problem. Thank you very much.
Athlon Windows XP

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