Signal degradation when using busses/auxes.

i reviewed some mixes done three years ago, when i didn't use subgrouping and the busses were only used for fx returns. my current projects sound muddier than these older ones. am using auxes to sum different sections of the arrangement together now. the results are harsher and muddier. yes, delay compensation is on. transients are smeared right across the spectrum. have gone back to master1-2 outs for final mixes. check it out for yourselves.
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Hi kirsen, jim, et al. back in the analog daze, when tracking, the monitor mixer of the neve, ssl was used. at mix time, the signals were routed to the consoles regular input strips. result, increased muddiness, stereo image blur, you name it. solution: use the shortest signal path to the master bus possible. more circuitry = less fidelity. the monitor mix section is simpler (no eq, no inserts, etc) = more accurate reproduction of the source. same is true with daws. macs a serial but reeeeeally fast. so, we get reeeeally fast phase problems. it is all a conjuring trick. the problem cannot be fixed. it can be controlled: do only live recordings with no over dubbing, do dance beatz using only software instrument from the same brand(or same plugin), use only sample patches from the same library and same recording room/sound stage, take all room/ambience/spill out of tracks. we never used sub groups back in the analog daze. mixes took longer, but sounded closer to the original source material. i'm a purist (i love good audio) - so shoot me!
note to jim: try your excellent lavry's with a set of dual concentrics(eg tannoy's) and you will hear this problem better - just make sure the test speakers go down (flat as possible) to 40 or so cycles. all the best DJR.
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