Significantly worse battery life on Mavericks

I posted this oringally in another thread and was recommended to start a new one.
I have a mid 2012 mbp and upgraded to mavericks the day it was released from ML.
Since then my battery life has been absolutely horrendous. Get around ~2 hours or so on one charge... Pretty dissapointed. I am super busy so I do not have time or energy to format and reinstall mountain lion until christmas time.
Any advice would be great. I went into terminal and disabled indexing following this guide as recommended in another post:
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/stopspotlightindex.html
Still nothing. Activity monitor does not show anything significant running in the background either.
I am pretty upset/****** off as the only benefical thing to me in the OS (of all the new features) was apples claims of increased battery life lol.... that didnt really work out.
Anyways here are my specs:
Model Name:
MacBook Pro
Model Identifier:
MacBookPro9,1
Processor Name:
Intel Core i7
Processor Speed:
2.6 GHz
Number of Processors:
1
Total Number of Cores:
4
L2 Cache (per Core):
256 KB
L3 Cache:
6 MB
Memory:
8 GB
Let me know if anyone needs any additional specs or anything. I have a 1TB hdd installed as well.

The other thread has degenerated into a predictable and unproductive rant-fest that won't help anyone.
Check your Activity Monitor to determine the relative "Energy Impact" of various apps as in the following:
One or more may be obvious, or not.
Some users have reported an SMC reset to be beneficial. Read SMC reset.
Be sure to read the procedure carefully and follow all the steps exactly as written, even if they seem unimportant or trivial.
If your Mac's battery is still draining abnormally fast continue with the following. None of what follows is intended to fix anything, but it will provide the additional information required to advance troubleshooting.
Back up your documents and everything else important to you, not that there is any reason to believe your hard disk may be failing, but the symptoms you describe may presage an impending disk failure, and you should have backups anyway.
Boot OS X Recovery by holding ⌘ and r (two fingers) while you start your Mac. At the Mac OS X Utilities screen, select Disk Utility. Select your startup volume (usually named "Macintosh HD") and click the Repair Disk button. Describe any errors it reports in red.
When it finishes restart your Mac and test again for operation. If it's still not behaving as you expect it should, please post the results of EtreCheck in accordance with the following instructions:
Apple Support Communities contributor etresoft wrote a very useful app to quickly gather certain system information that may help point to a cause of this problem. Go to his website, download and run EtreCheck:
http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck
Etrecheck will be in your Downloads folder. Open it from there. You may see the following dialog box:
Click Open - etresoft contributes to this forum frequently and can be considered a trustworthy developer.
It will take a moment to run as it collects its data.
Copy and paste its output in a reply.
Do not be concerned about anything that says "Problem" or “failed” or anything else that may appear in red.
EtreCheck was designed to remove any personal information (such as your computer's name and serial numbers) but if you see anything that looks like an email address or any other personal information that should not be divulged to others, please delete or obscure that information when you post the reply.
When you are finished with EtreCheck, quit the program. It occupies very little space, and you can keep it or drag it to the Trash as you wish.
After completing the above please determine if the problems also occur in "Safe Mode":
Safe Mode or "Safe Boot" is a troubleshooting mode that bypasses all third party system extensions and loads only required system components. Read about it: Starting up in Safe Mode
Starting your Mac in Safe Mode will take longer than usual, graphics will not render smoothly, audio is disabled on some Macs, and some programs (iTunes for example) may not work at all.
Merely starting your Mac in Safe Mode is not intended to resolve the problem, it's to observe its performance without certain additional components.
To end Safe Mode restart your Mac normally. Shutdown will take longer as well.

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