Simultaneous installation of CS4 and CS5 elements

Currently we have an installation of InDesign CS4. We are looking to purchase CS5 Design Standard which we can upgrade to from our installation of InDesign CS4, saving around £400.
The issue we have is that we have a third-party plug-in for InDesign CS4 which isn't currently compatible with InDesign CS5. My question is, can CS5 Design Standard be installed without InDesign CS5, leaving InDesign CS4 as it is? Is it possible to install in this way and will everything run normally, bearing in mind everything will run off the same serial number?
Thanks in advance!

Uprades don't touch earlier versions. CS4 will be fine.
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I had CS4 installed. I purchased CS5 (downloaded it) installed that. When I got the disks via mail, I tried to install that version (disk version). I started having issues as to which program would open a .prproj file. Often the CS4 version of Premiere Pro opened. Not what I wanted. I eventually uninstalled CS5 entirely and then reinstalled. Then things were working fine. However, I then tried to uninstall CS4. (I have seen from numerous posts/comments to leave both on -- which I really don't know why. Doesn't make sense to keep both versions). I prefer not to have an extra 4GB of space used for programs I am no longer using. However, in doing so, the uninstall didn't appear to do a perfect job. And now I can't double-click a .prproj file. This icon is also blank white. I went into Set Associations and I can't assign .prproj to Premiere CS5. In looking at the Open With window, I notice that some of the icons for other Adobe programs are all splewy (Adobe Encore is using the CS4 icon, Adobe Illustrator is using the PDF icon, Flash Catalyst is using the Air icon, etc.)
I could: a) uninstall everything, including Adobe Acrobat Pro (which I had purchased and installed prior to CS4 or CS5) and then reinstall everything -- sheesh that would take a while; or b) I could ask my friends here to explain and guide me!

Hi Stix, Thanks.
I am not so positive that there is no difference between the download version vs the media version specifcially because in downloading the updates, the site demands you choose your update depending on how your software was installed. I figured that the download would be smaller. Perhaps you are right. And maybe it is the same, in either case, when I get a stack of disks, I tend to think there is more on the disk and the download version is merely the core applications.
Anyway, I had to uninstall everything CS4 and CS5 and then reinstall CS5. Oddly, this didn't automatically fix my problem. However, at least I was able to choose Premiere CS5 to open .prproj files and check off the box to use it as the default. (I wasn't able to before). So now it works!

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Hi, all.
It seems there was a trend for several major releases where each time Adobe released a new version of InDesign and InCopy, average file sizes grew by 20% or so from the old release to the new release, at least back in the older CS days. Has this trend continued, such that file sizes in CS4 are substantially larger than file sizes from CS3, and CS5 files are substantially larger than those from CS4?
Adobe, of course, wants to keep writing functionality that will keep the user community coming back to buy in to upgrades. The added functionality sometimes comes at a cost beyond the price tag. If file sizes are larger in a newer version, then page saves over a network or to a database are likely to be slower, and user productivity takes a hit while users are waiting for files to be saved.
Has anyone done any testing to build the "same" page in multiple versions of InDesign to understand what the effect is on the file sizes? I'm specifically interested in the file sizes between InDesign CS3, CS4 and CS5. To be meaningful, the test page would have to be at least moderately complex, with a couple of photos, multiple text elements and so forth. By "same," the page wouldn't take advantage of new functionality in newer versions but would be saved as a native page of the current version, though the file sizes may be bloated by the new functionality like it or not.
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Mark

The overall structure of ID's files have been exactly the same for -- as far as I can see back -- CS. No change at all, in there.
There have been significant additions to the 'global' spaces; stuff like InCopy user data, table styles, object styles, and cross references. Each of these add a major chunk of data to each file, whether you use it or not, plus a few bytes per object (again, whether you use them or not -- ID also needs to know where you did not use them, that's why). I think these might be the main source of 'global' file size increase (a single object style in one of my files, for example, eats up a healthy chunk of 11,482 bytes).
For the rest, all new stuff like 'span columns' is a handful of bytes per paragraph style. Tracking changes may very well double the size of text runs -- but 1 character takes up 1 byte of storage (plus perhaps some overhead of indicating its 'tracking' status). Any single measurement unit always uses 8 bytes at least (for example, the left inset for a column span -- even if it's not used, or set to 0pt).
I think we're talking about a couple of K's here (oh -- perhaps a max of a hundred or so), in a file format that has been designed around the concept of "disk pages", each 4K big, meaning that sometimes adding one single character to a text box increases the file size by 4 K.
Your idea of comparing the size of a file created in CS3 against the same saved as CS4 and as CS5 is certainly feasible -- I might try it some time, just to confirm it's purely the extra 'new objects' data that accounts for the size increase and to confirm my guesstimates of the number of Ks involved.

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I cannot do without Version Cue which is only CS4.
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I work with someone who will eventually create the flash elements of our projects. To do this the company ordered further licenses for CS4 but we received CS5 instead.
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Hello.
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I'm not sure if Final Cut Pro has the same problem. I don't have a Mac so I can't test it.
Here's a sample video that works the way it should. I pulled a BIK file from a game and converted it to H264 in AVI. Not sure what it's audio format is.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/15fr85n78xfu94x/Opening_Cinematic_Placeholder.avi
Just click the download button at the top right.
Here's an afflicted file. Not the exact specific file I have been talking about, but it has the same codecs. This one is shorter in length and smaller in size. It still has the high pitch noise, but since there is no one talking in this you don't hear the weird low pitch distortions.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/qqbk0n6io0lspn5/eso_2014-02-28_20-08-18-959.avi
Just click the download button at the top right.
If there's anymore infor you need let me know.
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>single AVI file. The video format is H264
H.264 will not work inside an AVI wrapper http://forums.adobe.com/thread/854115
-Insignia camera uses H.264 to either AVI... SOME to MOV wrapper
-so use the MOV wrapper if YOUR Insignia camera offers that option
-Says VLC will convert in reply #6 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1172956
>can't believe a professional piece of software can't handle something this simple
As Jim said, not within the design specifications because it is non-standard video

Is it possible to have Indesign CS4 and CS5.5 both installed on the same Mac? 10.6.8

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@Zaldomoh
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