Single Layer or Dual Layer DVD?

Hi,
I just made a DVD for a client who now wants to make a small number of copies using a third party software.
They've asked me if they should order single layer or dual layer DVDs? I think the answer is single layer, but I want to make sure.
When I made the DVD, I set the size at 4.7 GB, although I only used up 3.21 GB.
That means I should tell them to order single layer, right?
Thanks
Carolyn

I would also urge them to order Falcon Pro, Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden blank media.
Good luck,
Hunt

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1. How common are home DVD players and mac/pc players that have the
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2. What other reasons, if any, would you not want to use a dual layer disc?
Thanks.

1. How common are home DVD players and mac/pc players that have the
ability to read dual-layer discs?
Alot more common than they were in the past, and most standalone players are able to read DL. FWIW, this really applies for disc from your computer and not replicated discs.
2. What other reasons, if any, would you not want to use a dual layer disc?
More costly than single layer. Also you need to make sure to author properly for layer breaks. The selection of single vs dual really should revolve around the size of your project (based on running time) and not the media itself. Most 2 hour or less projects (maybe even longer) should fit on a single layer fairly well with no major quality hit. Of course it varies based on the footage etc.
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+1) I will get the most compression (lowest quality) if I burn it on a single layer DVD because there is less space available.+
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(including time for iDVD menues)
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i'll try to answer everyone's questions and clarify any confusion.
first off: I'm doing this for local cable access television. they wanted me to do something educational and at the same time entertaining that that could kill an 1+. since I'm an art historian I decided to do artists work throughout a particular period accompanied by music from when the works were created. so, for this project 'Roy Lichtenstein: Works of the 1960s' I have over 150 images accompanied by 30+ songs. each image has all the info displayed (which gets 1/2 cut off when i play it on the tv) and fades and transitions. When you're watching it, it's surprisingly relaxing and the time goes by much faster than you'd think (imagine one of those music radio channels on your tv, just with interesting images).
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