[SIS Series] MS-6585 (648 Max)

Hi guy's. New to the forum !
Can anyone tell me please the largest capacity Hard Drive I can install on my MS 6585 v1.X mobo (the standard 648 max with on board LAN but not the HT ready one) ?
I'm running Win XP Pro SP2

http://www.msi.com.tw/html/products/mainboard/testreport_pdf/6585/hd.pdf
largest they tested was 120gb
and no bios update mentions 48 bit lba,needed for drives over 137gb

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1. Memory won't operate past a certain speed, so you run at a different ratio or buy faster memory.
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Did you try the newest drivers from Nvidia's website?
Did you try video card in another system when you had it in the shop, and another video card in your system? I take it you did a clean install of Windows XP. Mine has had no problems in WindowsXP, It's a Chaintech Ti4600. While I do have Windows 2000, I haven't used it on this system so I'm no help there. Also did you try setting BIOS to default settings? Come to think of it, I think it defaults to graphics card in PCI slot, maybe I'm thinking of another board. Don't know if that would make a difference anyway. Can you go into safemode and update or remove the agp drivers and start over? Is this fun or what? Did the AGP drivers you installed, create a Sis agp utility folder in the start menu? That might give you some information about any possible problems. What are the agp voltage readings in the BIOS?
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SiS 648 MAX problem!

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I have a very annoying problem with my MSI 648 MAX board.
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I have two identical TwinMos 256mb PC3200 DDR modules.
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Error404,
I since you have a 648 Max and you posted in the Multimedia Forum, I moved the thread to PIV Motherboard Forum for you.
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What kind of video card is it?
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Otherwise you stated you have tried other processors and memory that were "known" to be good.
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Do you have any real problems when it comes to gaming, watching DVDs/VCDs or listening to MP3s and CDs?
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You can also try updating your WinXP to SP1.

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on 648 MAX-L motherboard? I know sis chipset
support it, but do not know if MSI supports it on
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http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585
i can see no mention of it here,does it have the ports on the board?

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Make sure you get the HT Ready version. Utilizes the 648bo chipset and also has a sticker on the box. Im not exactly sure how to distinguish the 2 different types because the model numbers are EXACTLY the same.
Support Hyper Threading..
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=417&MODEL=MS-6585
Doesn't Support...
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585
-rob

NVIDIA driver 1.13 for 648 max?

while reading this review of sis 648 boards:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/20021204/sis648-10.html
I came across nVIDIA driver 1.13 drivers which they appearently used in there testsetup for the chipset. What is this about? Is it some alternative to the sis drivers? Does anyone use it on a msi 648 max and is it any good?

How typical of tom....
They ment SiS AGP 1.13.

Can't update my AGP driver MSI 648 Max-L

Hello, I have the MSI 648 Max-L (SiS 648 motherboard).
When I try to update the SiS AGP driver from 1.13 to anything newer (the latest is 1.16a), nothing happens. The installer fails to run.
What seems to be wrong?
Specs:
WinXP SP1
MSI 648
512MB PC2700
Radeon 9700Pro
Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by zardoz66
Hello, I have the MSI 648 Max-L (SiS 648 motherboard).
When I try to update the SiS AGP driver from 1.13 to anything newer (the latest is 1.16a), nothing happens. The installer fails to run.
What seems to be wrong?
Specs:
WinXP SP1
MSI 648
512MB PC2700
Radeon 9700Pro
Thanks in advance!
I'm having the same problem while trying to istall SiS AGP driver 1.15 but i have no previous versions installed though.

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I recently bought the MSI 648 Max motherboard, as my system needed an upgrade quite badly. To cut the costs down a bit, I’ve used some parts from my previous system (eg the video card which is an 2x AGP, 64 Mb, Kyro based card) but got new RAM, CPU and psu.
I put together the system (described below), loaded Windows ME, updated all drivers with latest releases, and the thing works but the quality of the display is really bad ;( . That is, I get lots of video artefacts (shadows, fading text, vertical lines, distorted colours, etc). The video card was working fine on my other machine. Also, Sisoft Sandra says that the card is operating at 2x AGP, as it should.
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MA 1T/2T Select    AUTO
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DRAM Frequency    167 MHz (for now)
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Ciao
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MSI SIS648 Max (MS 6585) ver. 1.0
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Adaptec 2930U SCSI card
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http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585

[SIS Series] MS-6585 (648 Max)

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