[SIS Series] SIS 648 Max-L MS-6585 mobo probs. please help.

I have been having tons of issues with this mobo. First off when playing a simple game such as starcraft, it will either restart randomly, or perform an illegal operation. It has massive probs playing any games more complex than that, which is sad. I also had alot of problems with installation of win xp pro. some files failed to copy. Install finally worked but after many tries. some help would be great. thanks.
it had a 2.0ghz 400mhz fsb intel celeron processor but was changed out with a 2.26ghz p4 proc
so heres the specs on this computer
power supply
tigerpro 350 watts
vid card
Abit siluro gf4mx-se
hard drive
80gb western digital wd800
Hitachi 8x dvd rom drive
generic firewire card
s-braket installed
d-braket installed
2.26ghz 533fsb 512k l2 pentium 4 proc w/ stock heatsink+fan
memory
spectek select 512mb which worked in 2 other systems flawlessly
OS
presently a dual boot system with win xp pro and suse linux
oringinally had just winxp pro and had same issues as stated before

see i dont kno. its a 350w psu, and it seems almost as if the ram bank is bad, ie the slot where the ddr mem goes. i change it to a diff bank and it works. starts up fine. but the next restart, will not run. see this is what happens.
1 turn on the computer. it will just sit there with no cmos/post beep and no bios for the mobo or vid card appears on screen. hdd and dvd rom get power as well as the fans
2 the d-bracket 4 leds read all green, signifying that the cpu or heatsink is bad or not installed properly.
sometimes ill release the tension on the heatsink and move it around(the heatsink) then turn it on with the tension loose, and seems to do better like that. plus it will boot. also, another time and pretty much every time since my first post, it seems to start up all the devices, but no boot. I initially thought it was the cpu so i changed that out with another that was known good. then it worked marvelously, but after another restart, refused to start at all. Then after reading the other moderators post i realized it could be the ram. I had the same issue with this board before, before it was RMAed mind you, where it wouldnt work, so i moved the ram to a diff slot and it worked. same case with this new mobo. it started up fine. then same prob arose, but this time, no matter what would not start until i put the new kingston ram in. then i ran that memtest prog. finished, got to 100%, and kept counting, but couldnt stop it or reboot from the menu, so i hit the reset button, prolly not the best idea, but i didnt have a choice. im not quite sure if the ram passed or not, but immediatly after gave me tons of probs. boots runs Suse linux, but wont run windows. As soon as it loads it instantly restarts. this happend even in safe mode. this mobo was originally in the computer i have now, and i think its the same wattage and amperage as the one in the msi mobo case. the reason y i dont see it being the psu is bc im currently runnin a 3.0ghz p4 1 sata 2 eide ok vid card a dvdburner and a cdrw. alot more than this system, but never gave me any probs. but who knows i could be wrong. I appologize for the long post. but i am totally stumped on this one. but it just seems to me like this mobo series (648max-l) is just way buggy. i have had issues with this mobo from day one. as well as the one(exact model) before it. If i have to put anymore money into this mobo, it jsut isnt worth it to me anymore. i will prolly just buy a diff mobo all together. as always any help or suggestions are very much appreciated. once again i appologize for the lengthyness, but i hope this will aid you in your diagnostic. thanks again!

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