Site Survey with ap3500i

Hey,
I have a question about sitesurveying with ap3500's
I'm going to deploy a wireless network in a new building, i have a company that normaly does my site surveys.
I normally provide them with some AP's configured with a designated ssid and local power modes set to 50%, however this does not seem possible with the new 3500i's i'm willing to use, for there is no IOS image available for it.
I dont have any network connectivity yet in this new building, so i cannot f.i place them in a separate ap-group and assign a dedicated wlan to them.
Can Anybody think of a viable solution (ASAP) Thanx in advance
Frans verschoor

leolaohoo wrote:We use 1140s for site surveys in our 3502i deployments.Not recommended.
I have the same questions as Thomas. In the thread below I tried to find out any differences between these APs but the consensus was that ClearAir was the only notable difference. The only way the 1140 would be not recommended for a passive survey is if there is differences in the antenna pattern, and active survey if there's a difference in chipset or hardware. So what are the differences?
https://supportforums.cisco.com/message/3398804#3398804

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I do site surveys a little differently that everyone else nowadays, I believe. In the past, I used an autonomous 1230 or 1240, but now I use a lightweight 1142. I configure a port in a room to be on the AP VLAN and I connect my 1142 to the port and hang it where I want - it then gets on the controller and start broadcasting just like the finished product will. This works well except for the time it takes me to configure a port on the switch and the bootup time for the AP. I'm one of the Networks Architects on a campus of almost 200 buildings, so I have access to all the routers and switches and can configure anything I need while onsite.
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There is no matrix as to what you're asking for. I've done conversions and configurations of AP's from Lightweight to Autonomous and vice-versa. The configuration of the autonomous AP can be identical to the Lightweight AP from a client perspective.
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1. PoE powered AP through a Tessco power pack.
2. VLANs have to be enabled on the AP (1 for each SSID)
3. The SSID's will have to be created and each AP mapped to a VLAN
4. The SSID's will be need to be enabled on both radios if desired.
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Assign an IP address on the wired NIC of our laptop and plug an ethernet cable into the AP's ethernet port.
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This is by no means a complete answer, but your questions were all over the map.
Regards,
Jerry

What will I see when doing site survey with WRT and WRE?

I have just successfully setup with security, my WRE54G to my WRT54GS. It wasnt easy, lots of resets and disabling of security, but I didnt have to set a statis IP (which I am happy about)
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Is this right? If so, this gets confusing as I am not sure which I am connecting too.
Then if I change from one to another, I have to enter in the passphrase, which gets annoying.
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The RE, as I understand it, just extends the router signal that it is connected to. That is why it is imperative that the setup be EXACTLY the same. In my case, I stupidly put some capital letters in my SSID but didn't put them in when I setup the RE. Took me the longest time to figure that out....That you see two "networks" on site survey is OK. That you can connect to them differently is weird and that you have to enter the security passphrase suggests that you really haven't been successful in setup. So, Dibbler's advice is correct. Make sure the router and RE settings are the same and the firmware is upgraded.
I can't tell what device I am connected to and I really don't care. I just know that the place I was connecting from prior to the RE was far from the router and I would get the "limited connection" warning and no internet. With the RE and closer to my laptop, I always get "excellent" signal and an internet connection. I assume I'm connecting to the RE but it is seamless.
Also, make sure you the supply the MAC address of the router if the RE is v.1. Got that from the full user guide at the Linksys WRE54g product page.
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Message Edited by Luckydog on 06-20-2007 06:11 AM
Message Edited by Luckydog on 06-20-2007 06:15 AM

Site Survey with 1142 AP

The older Airespace APs had a site survey mode which was handy for just that. With IOS for the 1142 not being released yet, I was pondering a workaround
I was thinking of configuring an 1142 for HREAP - Authentication Local / switch local and then disconnect it from the network. I am unsure if the AP would bring the radio up if the Ethernet interface was disconnected? Can anyone comment on this?
Thanks!

You can also configure a fallback role for the access point radio. The access point automatically assumes the fallback role when its Ethernet port is disabled or disconnected from the wired LAN. There are two possible fallback roles:
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Hello
I would like some opinions on how to perform a site survey when surveying for both 2.4 and 5GHz.
Assume that the installation want good coverage on both 2.4 and 5GHz and that they use dual radio ap. Should I map one radio cell using 5GHz and then just assume that 2,4 will cover the same area and then some? Or should I do two walkabouts, one for each freq band and map them separately? I suppose the correct way would be to measure a cell twice, but time is money...
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I agree that time is money, but saving on money during the pre-installation phase may cause you more money and more headaches than you bargained for down the road.
I have used to AirMagnet product, and their Surveyor is perfect for what you are doing, but it is pricy.
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I had a few times that when I did a survey before we got the AirMagnet software, I just went around with a map and marked down my location and put the signal strength and quality in an excel spreadsheet, and put together a decent looking coverage map with Visio. You can do quite a bit without spending a lot of money, but it takes up a lot of time.
For customers that didn't want to spend the money up front, we just would over engineer the equipment and lower the power settings if needed. It seems easier to justify buying extra AccessPoints than spending money on a survey to the bosses. But I think that a good pre-install survey is absolutely necessary.

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I need to survey a new building for wireless. Actually it's an old nursing home.
In the old days I would setup an IOS AP as a DHCP server on a telescoping pole mounted to a cart.
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Using a TFTP Server to Return to a Previous Release
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/access_point/conversion/lwapp/upgrade/guide/lwapnote.html#wp160918
https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-18268
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/access_point/conversion/lwapp/upgrade/guide/lwapnote.html#wp160918
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ_NuxdRhQ4
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Hi,
I have 1131 autonomous AP and we have project where we need to implement WLC 5500 with 1140 LAP.
Before that , we need to do site survey . we are going to use cisco aironet adapter and with the help of site survey utility tool we are planning to do site survey .
I have below doubt before starting the site survey :
1) do we need to configure the AP 1131 with existing LAN set-up of client to get connected ?
If yes , how can i shift this 1131 ap always from one location to another location and connect to respective vlan in switch ? It would be tedious job ....
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to configure the AP to existing lan set-up of client , it would not be flexible to do site survey ?
without that , how can I just plug-in power to 1131 AP with standalone configuration .... and without connecting to switch ( any lan-port ) , do the site survey ?
Please suggest me .............
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2) The AP gets powered by an exteral power source like this battery for exmaple:
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=345625&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true
3) As far as moving the AP around you can purchase a site survey pole like this:
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=392506&eventPage=1
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Hello,
We are in need to perform a site survey with the Aironet 1041N Access Point.
Upon reviewing the site survey software, it seems you need to use an Aironet adapter.
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I was going to use the Cisco Aironet site survey application.
the client doesn't have $1000+ to spend on site survey software.
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our plan was to go around with one access point to use as a baseline then determine how far away you can get before signal drops off too much, mark a building diagram with where access point should be placed, move the AP to that location to see how far away you can get before you should place another AP, etc.
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Just got in a bunch of the 1142 N-A-K9 APs. I need to set them up to do a site survey with.
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Dear All,
I know site survey using Airmagent survey pro tool .Is it possible to do site survey with Aitmagnet wifi analyzer?
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Nope because you won't be able to record, for example, at this location what are the wireless channel interferrence, the signal strength, SNR, etc.

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We are moving from autonomous 1242AG to "2500 LAP with 2600 WLC"
I am used to bringing 1 autonomous AP to do my Site Surveys, but now that that I have a LAP, does it mean I need to bring a Wireless Controller with me so that the LAP could join it?
What do you guys do? Bring WLC, LAP and small UPS?
Any ideas would be helpful
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Hi,
If you only have a LAP now then also you can convert to autonomous AP and do the site survey and then convert back to Lightweight.
You just need the 2 images.
One autonomous image:k9W7
http://software.cisco.com/download/release.html?mdfid=284362264&flowid=34154&softwareid=284180979&release=15.2.4-JB4&relind=AVAILABLE&rellifecycle=ED&reltype=latest
One lightweight image: k9W8
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On the same place put the LAP and connect to nearest switch.
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Cisco Aironet Site Survey Utility with Windows Vista

Where can I download the Cisco Site Survey utility that is supported by Vista?

I to do wonder about this. It would be grand to get an answer from someone at Cisco about this..

Looking for a beginners guide ot site survey

Good evening,
Getting ready to do a site survey of a rather large facility... About to switch to an entirely different wireless nic (intel 3945ABG) which isnt performing as well as its cousin, 2200BG. Reviewing the stats of the cards it doesnt make sense as intel claims (from my understanding) the 3945 is more sensitive.
Given the sheer size (220,000+ sq feet) of my facility i want to ensure i do this correctly the first time around. I have the given equipment which will be deploying this card.
What i have done in the past for resolving some issues is going every 5 feet and recording by hand the SNR using something along lines of netstumbler. Is this correct?
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Here is some info that may help;
Wireless Site Survey FAQ
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk722/tk809/technologies_q_and_a_item09186a00805e9a96.shtml
This Excel macro tool is designed to work with NetStumbler to help you complete a wireless site survey. While running NetStumbler, the macro allows you to timestamp your live access points, collect signal levels of each access point, and export the raw NetStumbler data to create a handy report.
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Hi,
I have done many Wireless SIte-Surveys in my career. But this will the first time, I am going to do a Site-Survey for High Density environment (School with Byod 1:1 design).
Currently, the school has a Wireless network in place. The current wireless design includes 3502 APs, 5508 WLC and Cisco Prime. The customer has issues with sufficient bandwidth in classrooms which limiting the students and teachers to access the learning content.
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Do I need to conduct an Active Survey by connecting to the existing Wireless Network in the School? Or just passive Survey will be enough to determine the exact issues with the current design and provide the recommendations?
I have gone through the Cisco High Density design and white papers to start with.
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Before you do the site survey, I'd do the initial breakdown of the LAN.
1. What kind of switch ports are we talking about?
2. Are the APs connected AND negotiated to 1 Gbps ports?
3. What is/are the switch uplinks? 100 Mbps, 1- or 10- Gbps, Etherchannel?
4. Line errors on the links between the AP and the switch, uplinks and the link between the WLC and the switches?
5. WLC link? How many are used? Are they LAG or not?
6. Configuration of the WLC must be checked.
Once you've checked these do I start talking about wireless:
1. What problems are the staff/students experiencing?
2. How many APs to a classroom? How big is the class?
3. Determine what kind of traffic are each class trying to push?
4. Where are the APs located in relations to the staff/student?
5. Verify co-channel interferrence. I know they have 3502 but I've seen people disable CleanAir.
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