Size archive log different with online redo log

Dear Experts,
I had a problem with archive redo log size. I saw the size between archive redo log and online redo log is different.
The online redo log on path /oracle/SID/origlogA/log_g17m1.dbf , the size is 280MB, but on archive log the size just 130MB.
Why the size different? How to change the archive redo log?
We are running with Oracle 11.2.0.4.
Please aid me to solve this issue.
Thanks
Edy

Hi,
Yes, all of the size archive logs mismatch with online redolog.
I tried dump the trace file using command "alter database backup control file to trace file" and here is the result:
STARTUP NOMOUNT
CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE "SID" NORESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
    MAXLOGFILES 255
    MAXLOGMEMBERS 3
    MAXDATAFILES 508
    MAXINSTANCES 50
    MAXLOGHISTORY 46720
LOGFILE
GROUP 5 (
    '/oracle/SID/origlogA/log_g15m1.dbf',
    '/oracle/SID/mirrlogA/log_g15m2.dbf'
) SIZE 280M BLOCKSIZE 512,
GROUP 6 (
    '/oracle/SID/origlogB/log_g16m1.dbf',
    '/oracle/SID/mirrlogB/log_g16m2.dbf'
) SIZE 280M BLOCKSIZE 512,
GROUP 7 (
    '/oracle/SID/origlogA/log_g17m1.dbf',
    '/oracle/SID/mirrlogA/log_g17m2.dbf'
) SIZE 280M BLOCKSIZE 512,
GROUP 8 (
    '/oracle/SID/origlogB/log_g18m1.dbf',
    '/oracle/SID/mirrlogB/log_g18m2.dbf'
) SIZE 280M BLOCKSIZE 512
-- STANDBY LOGFILE
DATAFILE
Output ommited
Thanks
Edy

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제품 : ORACLE SERVER
작성날짜 : 2002-10-31
=====================================================
DB STARTUP 시 ORA-312, ORA-313(ONLINE REDO LOG CRASH)
=====================================================
PURPOSE
[ ONLINE REDO LOG가 손상되었을 때 DB에 OPERATION 이 없었던 경우는 다음과 같은 절차로 DB 을 OPEN 할 수 있다. - 확률 70% ]
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CHARACTER SET EE8MSWIN1250
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restoring datafile 00003 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\SYSAUX01.D
BF
restoring datafile 00004 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\USERS01.DB
F
restoring datafile 00005 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\DATA01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: reading from backup piece C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\DB_1\DATA
BASE\0AITR52K_1_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: restored backup piece 1
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\DB_1\DATABASE\0AITR52K_1_1 tag=TAG20071006
T181337
channel ORA_DISK_1: restore complete, elapsed time: 00:02:07
Finished restore at 06-OCT-07
RMAN> recover database;
Starting recover at 06-OCT-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
starting media recovery
media recovery complete, elapsed time: 00:00:05
Finished recover at 06-OCT-07
SQL> alter database open;
Database altered.
SQL> select * from names;
NAME
pippo
SQL>
enrico

Online redo logs vs backup

Below quoted sentence is from Oracle documentation
"Online redo logs, unlike archived logs, should never be backed up. The chief danger
associated by having backups of online redo logs is that you may accidentally restore
those backups without meaning to, and corrupt your database"
Can any one explain , how the database will be corrupted if we backup online redo logs. I am having a hard time to understand this quote
thanks for your help
shajan

Redo log file contents is very dynamic. It changes minute after minute, so a backup is useless if you try to do it online. (In fact there is no command to perform such backup).
Let's suppose you shutdown (normal, immediate or transactional) The contents of the redo log files become useless as the checkpoint process has already taken place, so it is enough to have a copy of all of the consistent datafiles to have the last applied transaccion.
In a recovery scenario with archivelog it is important to keep all of the requiered archivelog files plus all of the online redo log files.
In case of a missing logfile it is useless to have a backup of it. If you ever had one, and you tried to restore it, an error would arise, warning you that the contents of the logfile is inconsistent with the expected scn. The only way you can succeed is to have them multiplexed and have them on different paths, just to reduce to probability of loosing all of the members of a group.
rman does not perform backup of redo log files. Classical theory of backup/recovery states that during a hot backup it must be backed up the archive log files, not the redo log files.

Open database if an active online redo log is missing

Hi,
Sorry for the rather long post, but I specified all the steps I performed and couldn't make it shorter :-(
I need an advice on how to open the database if an active online redo log is missing.
For test purposes I intentionally performed a shutdown abort when the redo log group 1 was in active state and then renamed its only member (REDO01.LOG) so that the database couldn't perform crash recovery using it. Then upon startup I obviously got the message:
ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) The system cannot find the file specified.Ok, so I checked the state of the logs:
{noformat}
SQL>SELECT a.GROUP#, first_change#, SEQUENCE#, a.status, SUBSTR(b.MEMBER, 1, 40) MEMBER, b.status mem_status, a.archived
2    FROM v$log a, v$logfile b
3   WHERE a.GROUP# = b.GROUP#
4 ORDER BY a.GROUP#, b.MEMBER;
GROUP# FIRST_CHANGE# SEQUENCE# STATUS           MEMBER                         MEM_STA ARC
     1        592134         29 ACTIVE           H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG           YES
     2        592268         30 CURRENT          C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO02.LOG           NO
     3        592129         28 ACTIVE           C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO03.LOG           YES
{noformat}Since opening the database to perform a log switch and thus change the status of the redo log group 1 from ACTIVE to INACTIVE to recreate the member isn't possible, I performed database recovery.
SQL>recover database until cancel;
ORA-00279: change 592129 generated at 02/04/2009 10:31:15 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_28_%U_.ARC
ORA-00280: change 592129 for thread 1 is in sequence #28
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
ORA-00279: change 592134 generated at 02/04/2009 10:31:28 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_29_%U_.ARC
ORA-00280: change 592134 for thread 1 is in sequence #29
ORA-00278: log file 'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_28_4RLR3JS9_.ARC' no longer needed for this rec
overy
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_29_4RLR4MF3_.ARC'
ORA-00279: change 592268 generated at 02/04/2009 10:32:03 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_30_%U_.ARC
ORA-00280: change 592268 for thread 1 is in sequence #30
ORA-00278: log file 'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\FLASH_RECOVERY_AREA\TESTDB\ARCHIVELOG\2009_02_04\O1_MF_1_29_4RLR4MF3_.ARC' no longer needed for this rec
overy
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO02.LOG'
Log applied.
Media recovery complete.
SQL>So for log sequence #28 I accepted the proposed archived redo log in the FRA, for sequence #29 (that's the online redo log that is missing!) I manually specified its archived copy, and for sequence #30 I specified the CURRENT online redo log. And as it seems the media recovery was successful.
Next I tried to open the database but again got the error:
SQL>alter database open noresetlogs;
alter database open noresetlogs
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) The system cannot find the file specified.
The status of the log groups and its members is exactly as it was in the first query I wrote above, i.e. the redo log group 1 is still ACTIVE, so it's needed for crash recovery (which I had already done manually if I understand correctly how Oracle works!). I also checked if the datafiles are inconsistent (described in metalink doc id 1015544.102):
SQL>SELECT DISTINCT CHECKPOINT_CHANGE#, FUZZY FROM V$DATAFILE_HEADER;
CHECKPOINT_CHANGE# FUZ
            592269 NOSo, everything seems ok as far as datafile consistency is concerned.
My question is: how can I rename/drop/clear/whatever the member of redo log group 1 to open the database?
I tried to rename the log file member, to add another member to it, to open the database with resetlogs, to clear the logfile group 1, but all without success:
1)
SQL>alter database clear logfile group 1;
alter database clear logfile group 1
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01624: log 1 needed for crash recovery of instance testdb (thread 1)
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG'
2)
SQL>alter database open resetlogs;
alter database open resetlogs
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01139: RESETLOGS option only valid after an incomplete database recovery
3)
SQL>alter database rename file 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG' to 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG';
alter database rename file 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG' to 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG'
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01511: error in renaming log/data files
ORA-01512: error renaming log file H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG - new file C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG not found
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) The system cannot find the file specified.
4)
SQL>alter database add logfile member 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG' to group 1;
alter database add logfile member 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG' to group 1
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'H:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) The system cannot find the file specified.Sorry again for the long post and thank you in advance for any suggestion.
Regards,
Jure

You could check if the recovery was complete by (re)creating the controlfile with the resetlogs option.
<CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE define_db_name RESETLOGS NOARCHIVELOG
...>Thanks for the hint. If possible, could you only check if the steps I'm going to perform are ok.
I did an "alter database backup controlfile to trace;" and then extracted the create controlfile definition part. So in essence I should run the following statements:
CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE "TESTDB" RESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
    MAXLOGFILES 16
    MAXLOGMEMBERS 3
    MAXDATAFILES 100
    MAXINSTANCES 8
    MAXLOGHISTORY 292
LOGFILE
GROUP 1 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO01.LOG' SIZE 20M,
GROUP 2 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO02.LOG' SIZE 20M,
GROUP 3 'C:\ORADATA\TESTDB\REDO03.LOG' SIZE 20M
-- STANDBY LOGFILE
DATAFILE
'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\TESTDB\SYSTEM01.DBF',
'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\TESTDB\UNDOTBS01.DBF',
'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\TESTDB\SYSAUX01.DBF',
'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\TESTDB\USERS01.DBF'
CHARACTER SET EE8MSWIN1250
ALTER DATABASE OPEN RESETLOGS;
ALTER TABLESPACE TEMP ADD TEMPFILE 'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\TESTDB\TEMP01.DBF' REUSE;Is that correct?
About the RMAN backups: Wouldn't a 'CATALOG RECOVERY AREA' populate the controlfile with backup information again (I'm not using a recovery catalog in this case)?
Thanks for the help!
Regards,
Jure

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