Sizing PSDS for After Effects / Preparing Illustrator files for After Effects

3 questions
For the longest time I have been told when importing PSDs to
After effects, in order to keep circles circles (proper ratios) I had
to make a 720 540 PSD file and then crunch it down to 720 486. Then import the file to a D1 NTSC 720 486 after effects comp and everything works fine.And it does and always has
I have now been told otherwise. People claim they view in DV NTSC view
in Photoshop at 720 486 and then just import to a 720 486 DV1 After
Effects comp and everything is fine.
That view mode in Photoshop is for viewing purposes only though so this
confuses me. Sure you can sit there and stretch your picture to look
right in that mode but that doesn't make sense. Going 540 to 486 is
quicker.
But one weird thing I noticed is if you save your PSD with the NTSC
view mode turned on it will automatically import to After Effects with
DV NTSC comp settings. Otherwise it will import into a Square Pixels
comp.
So to simplify my questions are the following.
1. Is there a way to avoid creating a 720 540 PSD and then crunching
down to 486? And somehow keep circles circles and photographs not
stretched.
2. Why does the DV viewing mode in Photoshop effect the importing into
After Effects if it's just for preview purposes?
That said I like that viewing mode in Photoshop because when I do my
720 540 to 720 486 crunch I can see that everything will look fine.
If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. I've been fine doing what I'm doing but for the last couple years I have been told there's a quicker way and haven't found anyone who knows.
And my final question #3 is
How do you import an illustrattor file into After Effectcs with
layers? I know how to bring sa photoshop file in with layers but everytime I import an illustrator file in , it comes in flat as one layer.
Thanks very much to those who can help.
J.

>Is there a way to avoid creating a 720 540 PSD and then crunching
>down to 486? And somehow keep circles circles and photographs not
>stretched.
Not really and then "crunching down" is very much a matter of point of view. The real question is: Can you accept the variations e.g. in antialiasing introduced by creating your work with non-square pixels in Photoshop. Apparently doing so will affect horizontal sampling more than vertical and as there is a difference in how AE and PS deal with these matters, the result would be different. It also extends to the matter of how practical it would be to work with such files if you need to move them to applications that don't provide PAR correction...
>Why does the DV viewing mode in Photoshop effect the importing into
>After Effects if it's just for preview purposes?
It doesn't. The people told you only half the facts. Photoshop's PAR correction is just for viewing purposes, that's true, but it does not mean that PS itself would be unable to deal with non-square pixels. Whenever you create a files based on such presets, PS will correctly embed that information for saving, hence programs like AE that are able to extract that information, will use it to correctly interpret items.
>How do you import an illustrattor file into After Effectcs with
>layers?
You can't. In the strict sense Illustrator has no layers, only objects and groups and since they can be infinitely combined in the funniest ways, it's a hell of a thing to read them right. Maybe in CS5 after all these years... (or even later).
Mylenium

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f1. Should I send .ai or .eps?
Nowadays, PDF is the preferred delivery format for whole documents. If the printing house is placing the artwork in a program that cannot place PDF as a spot graphic, it is conceivable that they may need EPS. Depends on the printing house's workflow. In print work, you need to communicate with the printing house--and you need to learn to speak their language.
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2. Pantones or CMYK ?
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Again, best-practice depends on the project--but the economical and turn-around advantages can be significant.
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(I have seen examples on some prints that have show me ), but have no idea if Illlustrator already have a template/tools for that.
Whenever you catch yourself thinking "I have no idea if Illustrator..."--read the instructions.
Most graphics programs (including Illustrator) provide options for including basic "printer marks" (trim and registration marks, separation labels) outboard of the page size. That doesn't mean it isn't often advantageous to add your own. For example, the auto printer marks setting will only add one set of trim marks for the whole page. That's pretty useless in a multi-up layout, which is quite common in label design.
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...but since most products labels come in many shapes, how do you work around it?
Pages (Artboards in Illustrator) are rectangular. One typically provides die cuts (and/or varnishes, foils, embosses, etc., etc.) as elements drawn accurately on a Layer dedicated to the purpose.
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Since the artboard can´t have the are same shape as the labels , will the white background being print?
There is no "background." This is an object-based program. Where there is no object, there is nothing. By default, even white fills don't mean "white ink"; they mean "no ink." (Remember, think inks, not colors.)
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4. When using effects like highlights, reflections, especially in Titles, how do you create the pantones for that ?
Illustrator is primarily a vector based drawing program. Vector graphics are by nature and even by definition sharp edged. When vector programs try to provide "soft & fuzzy" features, they do it in either of two ways: either by programmatically creating additional vector paths and parameters (blends, grads, mesh grads), or by resorting to creation of non-vector "effects" (raster images). Whether such features correctly handle spot colors depends on the feature, and even on the version of the program.
So whenever working with spot color--in any program--you have to stay consciously aware of what you are actually doing (what kind of objects you are creating) when you apply such features. That's why it does no good in a user forum to speak of nebuous designerly terms like "highlights" when you ask technical questions. In order to get a correct answer, you ultimately have to state the kind of objects you are dealing with (and feature, and version, etc.).
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1. PDF?? I only use .pdf to show the client the designs before approval but never as final file...also I have heard from some many places that if the print house needs to open the file on a different design program the best is to send them .eps
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I expressly forbid printing houses from editing my delivery files. If an edit is needed, it comes back to me, and I make the edits. If a printing house chooses to edit one of my files without permission--and a problem result--they eat it; not me.
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...what I was mention is to be able create like a table where you list the pantones use, same time to put measures guides on the artboard itself, is this possible to do in illustrator?
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...imagine I have a label that is a star with 200x200 px, and the artboard is white background with 300x300px,
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if I print the artboard on my laser printer I get the label with the background also, so how does the print house manage to
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