Slaving Logic To ProTools 7

Hi there,
i remember reading once that someone had posted that he ran Logic as a slave to protools.
Here's what I'd like to do
Hit play in Protool 7 and have logic running to sync in background. Thus monitoring thru protools only having logic doing the midi stuff. I have it running 50% - and i can get it to work but only if using an (Outside Outboard) trigger for Logic and protools. However, I would love to be able to hit Play in protools and have Logic sync in the background. If anyone can help me on how to set this up I'D be a happy man:-)
Thanks in advance guys
Steve

There can be a LOT gained by using this setup...
Firstly, PT CAN be triggered from Logic. I haven't tried running both programs on the same machine (I've run PT on a slave to the master computer running Logic, and using my audio interfaces to route midi), but PT will recognize any ports that you point to it.
I love Logic, but Pro Tools handles audio WAY better than Logic does...
-the audio file naming structure is more hip and advanced
-audio editing is much better
-with PT 7, region groups are possible
-USING MULTI TAMBERAL INSTRUMENTS IS BETTER (one of my biggest complaints about Logic...you can't load a Multi Instrument, like Kontakt 2, and then have MIDI tracks point CC information to discreet midi channels, they all come in on the same channel, which really *****)...also, getting the audio routed back to from the Multi instrument is easier in PT 7....this is really the main reason why I'm even using Protools in my work.
-Most dubbing stages consider a PT session a desireable deliverable for a dub session.
-you can load up templates in PT and just have MIDI stuff in Logic, making it a faster load in Logic (especially useful for larger projects with multiple cues using the same virtual ensemble.
I believe that your assumption regarding audio routing is correct. There's also a program called Racks..you (and I as well) should check it out.
I LOVE Logic's plug-ins...and I don't have any real plug-ins (like a good reverb) in PT, so I always end up importing back into logic, which stinks.

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This is for any of you out there that use both Logic and Protools in your workflow. What are the reason(s) that you might do this? How do (if they do) these programs augment one another in the process of creating music? From initial idea to final mix, where do these programs plug in and why?
Thanks in advance

Andrew Tokuda wrote:
I hear that there is no automatic Plug-In Delay Compensation in Pro Tools. You need to set a value manually. According to a training video I saw of Pro Tools, this appears to be true. I also hear that PDC still isn't implemented in the version 8.0 release, though I can't confirm that.
For a guy that's been using Logic for years, I may just be spoiled as far a PDC is concerned, but it seems like for all those missing features in Logic (such as Elastic Time), there are important things we take for granted that aren't available on the PT side. Add the 32-channel (16 stereo!) limit in LE that we rarely think about in Logic.
That said, PDC and channel limits aside, version 8 of PT seems like a pretty compelling upgrade from 7.x. I hope Apple is keeping an eye on things. If there's ever a serious competition between platforms as far as features go, it starts now.
-droo
You're right.
but the one thing I do like about not having the computer calculate the delay, is that when I am doing my final mixing, I can calculate it myself. this might be a little geeky for some, but in the end it allows me to control this aspect of the DAW that I cannot do in other DAWs.
I have noticed sometimes in Logic that some things do not get played back at the same absolute timepoint. In other words, i suspect the PDC might be changing upon each playback. This is fine for most music, but when doing either electronica or Jazz (believe it or not) this is not good.
This has only happened to me once or twice, but is something to note. In PT HD, the delay remains constant, so dealing with it is a one time deal. Set your delays, and you're done.
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3 - I have been using 2 screens on the G5, but now do I use 1 screen per machine? or is there another utility that I can swap between the two and have 2 screens for whichever machine Im working on??
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Hi,
your question is interesting But I don't want to replay your specific question... There are anthyng wrong in your desire to use 2 Macs... BUT
I have worked on a similar environment in the past...
I'm talking about G4 400 + a Pentium 3 PC with tascam Giga studio...
I suggest to avoid to use 2 computers...
Logic is able to work without Pro Tools...
Pro Tools is obsolete and you are forced to stay on Leopard 10.5.5...
Why?
Logic works on Leopard 10.5.6...
My G5 is faster than ever with Leopard 10.5.6
Logic 8.0.2 is 1000 times more STABLE on Leopard.. (I never get any Logic crash with G% and 10.5.6!!!
I cannot see any reason to work with a G5 and Tiger.. (if you don't need to use Wa**s demo reset, or other crack sh*t stuffs)
I suggest to install 10.5.6 in your G5!
Leopard and Logic comes with Maximum sound quality... Pro Tools is a step Back to the past!...
Just my personal opinion... but I'm not alone about this point!
Using 2 Computers on a Digital studio is a obsolete way to work!
too much problems...
too much time waste for syncing
DOUBLE PERCENTAGE OF bugs, crash, and malfunction
Double percentage to loose your mind, to go crazy... to much distraction... I want stay focused to my composition without problems...
you need to use Remote Desktop
youneed to use Sharing network
you will loose about 50% of CPU power processing.
ON OS X SHARING network must be turned OFF to avoid POPs, Clicks, Audio drops and so ON!
Anyway you are free to testing by yourself...
Good Luck
G

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Hi,
There is currently no way to open a ProTools session file directly in Logic.
This is what I do to import a PT session:
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2. Save ALL plug-in parameters, in the plug-ins' native format (ie Waves presets saved as Waves presets).
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ivanleyva02 wrote:
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Mix logic/master protools

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When bouncing in Logic what sampling and bit rate do I bounce down to get ready for PT?not sure how to do this..
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A few protools to logic questions.

Hello.
long time protools user and returning logic user (version 3.x was the last interaction)
am really enjoying the sequencing aspects to logic but am becoming increasingly frustrated by what seems to be a few really simple features but constantly used features of protools.
hopefully someone might be able to point me in the right direction.
they all have to do with audio editing.
1) selection snapping to timeline. i have found the marquee tool, but how do then snap the playhead to where i want to place the copied selection?
2) duplicating a region on the time line creates a second instance of the region, however its the same instance.. thus any editing will occur to all regions. is there was a way to default this to automatically create new regions (as in protools, well in protools it creates a new region once edited).
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If you click and hold on the "Snap" menu (upper right hand corner of the Arrange page), you'll see a drop down list of options, which include, bar, beat, division, ticks, frames, etc... this helps limit where the region will land while dragging. I personally leave it set to "smart", which, depending on zoom level, allows me to place regions exactly where I want, very quickly.
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Not wishing to debate either. The following are my opinions based on having worked on both systems:
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- Many important MIDI manipulation functions can be carried out non-destructively and in real time, including velocity, gating, transposition, and delay.
- Extensive notation capabilities that come close to those of dedicated notation programs such as Finale and Sibelius
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- Aliases of audio regions can be created, so changes to the original region are automatically reflected in all aliases (no sure if PT offers that).
- Compatibility with a wide variety of audio file types with no file type conversion necessary.
- User-definable key commands
- Ability to group tracks in folders (to cut down on eye-clutter, and, to easily mute/solo groups of tracks). I know this can be accomplished with Groups in PT, but having worked on both systems, Logic's folders are more intuitive and easier to deal with.

Alternatives to virtual vtr slaving to logic

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I'm using logic pro and i'm slaving logic express on a 2nd computer to play quicktimes.Daniel Lerner recommended in the past a program called virtual vtr , the demo of which does exactly what i need it to do i.e. reads midi timecode and syncs my picture on computer 2 to logic running on my g5.Before i take the plunge with virtual vtr i was wondering if anyone knew of other alternatives.
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If the install and run is OK for both, what would my options be for instrument interface for Logic.
I have the Digi 002 interface (is this compatible w/ ProTools only?)
I have a Presonus Digimax 8-channel interface and a couple other mic preamps all tied into the G5.....
can I just use any of these current inputs to record to Logic once installed? Does Logic come with it's own interface?
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I run Logic and ProTools on the same system and have for years. I've run them at the same time. It does nothing to your system to have both installed and operating, whether at the same time or not.
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The DigiMax can be used with Logic.
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