Sleeping Round Trip Adjustments in Progress

I just edited a peace last night in FCP6 last night. I sent the sequence to Color-v1.0.4 and done all of the primary color tweaks then saved.
I did not close either program (FCP6 or Color) and left them open as i slept from 5:30 - 11am.
then i came back to the project WOKE the computer. Color was still open but now my proresHQ footage is jumpy in Color.
1st the dumb question:
How do you save and close your programs if you are in the middle of a round trip.
Will this stuttering be cleared up in FCP?
Is this a usual behavior?

Go ahead and save and quit. You don't need FCP open to run color, it is referencing the original media. They are stand-alone project files once they are created.
After you render, they will probably be fine in FCP. Do a test, it can't hurt anything.

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I just went into my external editor (photoshop elements) and edited a photo that I had exported into PSE from within aperture. I have 2 questions.
1. I have no clue how to make that edited version appear in aperture now. I have tried saving it under three different names. I have turned off the external editor. How do you get back to aperture and see the newly edited photo? There must be something easy I am missing.
2. Can I run my external editor by itself and import a photo from my aperture library without turning on aperture? Or must I always export the photo out of aperture and into the external editor?
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p.s. I even listened to the "round-tripping" podcast on Inside Aperture. Made it sound so easy.

Keep in mind every time you open an image with the
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and will increase the size of your Library.
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Mark,
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http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4237
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Round trip to PS CS3 does not show the saved image in Aperture 2.1.1

Good evening everyone; I hope someone can help me to solve this.
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I am sure it is not stacked under the original, unfortunately. Any other tips?
Also, as I mentioned earlier, even if I save the processed file in CS3 as PSD (so I use SAVE AS) and then try to import it into Aperture, it "magically" only shows the orginal (as if it was just importing some layer).

Round trip from Aperture to PS CS3 and back problem

Hi everyone; I hope someone can help me to solve this. I posted it before but the only suggestion I got was to check if the processed photo is not stacked under, which it isn't.
I have PS CS3 set as my external photo processing app (exports are PSD 16-bit 300 dpi) in Aperture 2.1.1. When I process the picture in CS3 and then save it(mind you I only SAVE, I do not do SAVE AS) as PSD (or TIFF) Aperture only shows me the original file in preview with the little circle informing me about the round trip to CS3. So the processed file does not show. Instead I only see two identical versions of the same photo or a layer from CS3.( I mean, I see the master and the version with the little circle).
If I save the work in PS CS3 as jpeg and then import into Aperture, it shows fine. When trying to import the processed and saved PSD and TIFF files, Aperture only shows the original file.
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And then Aperture just shows me the original file as version. I really need your help with this.
I have done this before 2.1.1 and it worked. Not sure if I have changed anything that might be causing this.
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Ernie, the photos are captured by Canon XTi so they are in CR2, saved to my internal HD and then "loaded" to Aperture as referenced files.
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So it seems I cracked it but I would still like to hear what you have to say, or anyone for that matter. It seems to me that the SAVE-CLOSE is crucial.

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PPro cs6 - Audition cs6 - PPro, round trip problem

I'm having trouble completing the round trip. I got my audio tracks from PPro CS6 to Audition CS6 without problems, right by the manual. But I'm having trouble getting that audio work back into PPro.
I'm working a mid-sized project (one hour class, two cameras, etc. headed for DVD). Got edit lock. Everything is done now except for cleaning up audio. After the audio I can send the whole lot to Encore for DVD making. But first, audio.
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So I thought, fine. Not as easy as I had hoped. I'll just have to import it manually. But PPro doesn't seem to have any idea how to deal with a *.sesx file, which is the project file from Audition.
Should I be exporting, say, a *.wav file from Audition (how?) and import that into PPro? And if I do, is there a good workflow to re-sync this audio with my video tracks?
I'm confused. Don't know what I did wrong. Don't know what do to fix it. Don't know how to avoid this in the future. So any help gratefully received.
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OK, now I *am* confused.
Just did it again (a different DVD project however), as described in my original post. This time PPro stayed open for me. So I sent all the sequence audio files to Audition via the "Edit...Edit in Adobe Audition...Sequence..." comman, then did my editing in Audition, and saved it the Audition project. Go back to PPro, and... nothing. No sign of any file from Audition in the project panel. No sign on the time line. No sign of any Audition file anywhere in PPro that I can find.
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Darned if I can figure out what I'm doing wrong though. Help???

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Please give me some recommendation..
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Hi Frank and Steve,
Thank you for your reply.
Yes Frank, what I mean by Round-Trip is the traffic between Client and the Server. And Yes, we will use VSAT where the latency is 1 - 1.5 second, so that round-trip matters significantly.
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Best workflow for round trip editing?

I understand that iPhoto does not support (yet) round trip editing, i.e. a RAW file can be sent from within iPhoto to an external editor but the resulting edited file cannot be saved back directly into iPhoto but has to be temporarily stored somewhere (i.e. desktop) and reimported into iPhoto using the Import function.
However,this screws up my "roll" filing structure, because the imported file is now part of a new roll and cannot be moved back to its original one.
Sure, I could process my photos before importing but this only postpones the problem. Indeed, next year, there will be an other iteration of Nikon Capture with new features and I will want to reprocess some old files to get better results ... and they will have to be reimported into iPhoto!
Has anyone come up with a suitable workaround that allows an imported file to be part of an existing roll or a solution to merge 2 rolls?
Thanks
Michel

Solved!
It's again RTFM ("Read The F*ng Manual").
Workflow would be as follows:
1. Edit RAW photo from roll, say "Xmas '05", with external editor.
2. Save modified photo as jpg version (so that the modifications are visible in iPhoto) to desktop.
3. Import into iPhoto (this creates a new roll, say "Roll 112", number is automatically assigned by iPhoto)
4. Select all photos from "Xmas '05" and "Roll 112" in the iPhoto library
5. Select Create New Roll from the File menu (all photos are now combined in a single roll, say "Roll 113" with today's date)
6. Rename Roll 113 into Xmas '05 and change the date to keep the chronological sequence
Voila! Roll "Xmas '05" has been updated (just tried it. It works).
I should have completely read the manual before posting.

Re: (forte-users) Round-trip database design

We have used Erwin quite sucessfully, but it's not cheap.
"Rottier, Pascal" <Rottier.Pascalpmintl.ch> on 02/15/2001 04:51:01 AM
To: 'Forte Users' <forte-userslists.xpedior.com>
cc:
Subject: (forte-users) Round-trip database design
Hi,
Maybe not 100% the right mailing list but it's worth a try.
Does anyone use tools to automatically update the structure of an existing
database?
For example, you have a full database model (Power Designer) and you've
created a script to create all these tables in a new and empty database.
You've been using this database and filling tables with data for a while.
Now you want to do some marginal modifications on these tables. Add a
column, remove a column, rename a column, etc.
Is there a way to automatically change the database without losing data and
without having to do it manually (except the manual changes in the (Power
Designer) model).
Thanks
Pascal Rottier
Atos Origin Nederland (BAS/West End User Computing)
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Hello Pascal,
Forte has classes which might be able to scan the database structure
(DBColumnDesc,etc.). Express use this classes to determine how the
BusinessClass looks like. We use Forte to create the tables,indexes and
constraints. We have the Problem that the above described classes are only
readable but not fillable. The solution for us will be to create our own
classes in
the same manner than existing classes are. So we are able to make updates in
the database structure and maybe able to change the database tables with tool
code. Another reason for us to have the database structure in the
application is the
ability to see the table structure on which the Forte code works always up
to date
with the code. You are always able to compare the structure of the database
with
your businessclasses and able to convert a wrong structure to the correct
structure
with maybe just a little piece of code.
Hope this helps
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Round Trip form Preiemer to Audition more than Once

Hoping someone can help. I am struggling to work out how to send a project back to Audition more than once? Basically I have a job that I sent from Premiere to Audition already but the client has come back with some further edits. What I can't work out is how I can send that project back from Premiere to Audition for a second time once I have made the various edits requested Premiere so that I can just tidy up those bits back in audtion again. At the moment it seems like I will have to try and re do all the work I had originally done in Audition or try and copy and paste clips form one Audition project to another and re align all the wave forms.
I am sure I am being stupid and missing something really basic so if someone can shed any light on how I can do this that would be great.
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Your right the files are there but all as separate wav files that were created when the Audition project was first created and I have the original Audition timeline that was created when I first sent the project back to Premiere. What I can't seem to figure out though is that when you send the project back from Premiere to Audition the new audio tracks that were created don't link back to the originally extracted wav files or the Audition Project that created them. Instead Audition creates a new wav file for each complete track (for those tracks that came from Audition first time round). However if you click on one of the single track clips from the original Audition to Premiere round trip and choose edit original it opens the original Audition project with all the clips in that created. Which isn't the behaviour I was expecting I was hoping for something a bit like the dynamic link relationship between after effects and premiere so if you have round tripped your audio any further changes in premiere are reflected in the audition project or a copy of the audition project. Is there away of doing this?
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