Slow adjustment brush

I have installed the trail version of the lightroom 2.0 and updated the software to 2.1, Im running x64 bit of vista. I have problem with that when using the adjustment brush the processor time is spiking from 50% to 80% and I get a delay in response when drawing. Tested on low end machine and at work I dont have this problem? Is this graphic card related or processor memory?

>I would like to hear from Adobe how the 3D settings on a card affects a 2D app that doesn't have Direct X or OpenGL specifications.
Actually, I would like to hear from NVIDIA on this matter. And also why, apparently, nView has such a negative affect on Lr. A brief visit to the NVIDIA forums reveal not a single mention of these problems.
Curiously, when I installed the latest NVIDIA drivers it came with preset 3D settings for Photoshop CS4 (which I do not yet have installed). It seems Adobe and NVIDIA are working closely together (http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe.html). Perhaps we can gently ask for similar Lr settings (assuming 3D settings would make any difference).

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Another CS4 user with a slow adjustment brush

New to CS4 and loving the idea of the adjustment brush and grad filter in ACR. However - and this is a big however - their incredibly slow speeds renders them next-to-useless for me. Gee whiz, how much processing speed do I need? I have Mac OS 10.4.11, 2.3 GHz w/ 4GB DDR2 SDRAM. This was more than adequate until now. Am I doing something wrong? Would it run faster if I converted from CR2 to DNG? I noticed that a lot of other people have this problem but I didn't come across any solutions offered up in the forums. They weren't running slow in the videos I watched on lynda.com.
Phil

This is not directly related, but I used to notice serious slow downs when using brush adjustments in Lightroom 2.4. I was on a PC with 2GB DDR1 RAM running Vista. I have several fast IDE hard disks in my system dividing OS/Data/Page file roles. I'm not sure what Lightroom uses for paging/swaping memory, but I don't think it's anything like Photoshop (you don't get to specify scratch file locations). I normally edit 15 Megapixel files and the brush local adjustments tool can get very slow and elastic in its response when I do a lot of fine brush additions. What I could notice is that Lightroom was taking up a lot of RAM at that point. I upgraded my DDR1 system to 3GB and the situation has improved but it was still easy to reach a point where it would slow down again as soon as the number of brush strokes mounted (Lightroom would be eating up approx 1.9GB RAM at that stage).
You mention that you have DDR2 on your system so I'm guessing you have the Power Mac that takes up to 16GB (8 slots x 2GB). I've no experience whatsoever with Mac OS, but if the OS+Program have no limitations in addressing RAM memory (Windows 32bit OS can see a maximum of 3.2GB RAM), then perhaps investing in additional RAM is not a bad idea. An extra 4GB DDR2 is affordable (unless you're restricted to using specific type of memory modules, I have no clue really), and is far faster than any hard disk swap/scratch file. Of course, that is assuming that the bottleneck is indeed the RAM memory.

Adjustment brush in ACR slow

I'm finding the adjustment brush to be slow to take affect. There is a delay between making the brush stroke and seeing the adjustment occur. It starts out with a short delay, but increases with each stroke to the point where it takes 6-10 seconds after the brush stroke for the adjustment to show.
The delay occurs if Camera Raw is hosted by Bridge or by Photoshop. The delay is longer when Camera Raw is in full screen mode, but it is still quite slow when not in full screen mode. Photoshop Memory Usage was set at 65% then dropped to 50% with no change in the delay. Virus protection software was disabled.
My system is a Dell Dimension 8300 Pentium 4, 2.80GHz with 2GB of RAM running Windows XP with Service Pack 3. The video card is a NVIDA GeForce FX 5200 with 128 MB memory. Old gear for sure, but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to improve the performance of the adjustment brush short of buying a new computer. Would upgrading the video card improve performance?

Hello
As far as I can see, both the video and audio editing world are already using non destructive editing and the files can be huge for video, so Photoshop will evolve in that direction also.
The operations in ACR are just mask overlays, which are not really that complex, even though the xmp are large, but in the most complex one I have been using, it is only 157kb.It is a vector layer, whose mathematical description is held in the xmp.
A comparable 8 bit mask as a channel in Photoshop would be 12mb in a 36mb uncompressed image.
It is also the reason why CS4 has so many types of adjustment layers and filter layers. That is exactly what a mask in ACR is acting as,in other words a local adjustment layer.
Many years ago there was a very good application called Picture Publisher, that recorded all pixel and layer operations as an editable text file, on a low res copy of the main image. The final compilation was rendered using the same text file on the full size image. The main problem with that the application was not accurate enough.It had a rounding error, so in certain circumstances 1000 pixels turned into 999 pixels. This as you could imagine would make some truly amazing final images, but not quite what was intended.
I am sure that ACR will evolve and have quite extensive masking operations. There is a requirement to be able run a slide show in Bridge, with all images corrected this way and without having to use Photoshop proper, one image at a time.
Adobe might also finally conclude that Lightroom will be redundant
I can wait!
Mike Engles

Adjustment Brush really, really slow in LR 3.3

Hi,
Don't know if anyone else has this problem, but when I use the adjustment brush with the photo in 1:1 ratio, my computer becomes really, really slow to respond. It becomes so slow, that I have to shut down LR 3.3 and restart. I'm using Windows 7, 64bit with 8GB of memory and my color card is an ATI HD5450 with 1GB of memory. I have my LR3.3 Camera Raw cashe settings at 75GB and on a different internal hard drive. I do not have this problem with LR2.7, which I'm glad I didn't remove. Anyone having this problem and found a solution? LR3.3 has really been a head ache for me. Lots of small, but annoying problems.
Thanks,
Dennis

It is funny what we each think of as "relatively old". Three years since I purchased the PC. It works fine for everything else that I use it for but the change between LR 2 and LR 3 has been quite marked in terms of rendering speed. I would say it is far more than a doubling. If it were only a "little bit" longer I wouldn't mind but this is distinctly annoying. The images are off a 5D MKII so 21MP.
As for keywording as the first one is available that makes an assumption that this issue is at import. Indeed I keyword in bulk at import via metadata preset and typing in keywords so I don't have to touch the images at all until they are ready to review.
Yes import rendering is slow but in this case I am working in develop mode. I had just gone through and done batch white balance adjustments. At that point my practice is to re-render the images before I do fine w/b adjustments and adjustments to exposure and black point, this means that there is less delay between opening an image and it "loading" ready to work on. However the huge delay that it causes is making me re-think this and possibly suffering the "loading" delay instead.
Most of the changes for LR2 to LR3 have been good (the notable exception being slideshow which is no longer useable). This however is not a good change.

CC Bridge slow-. adjustment brushes not showing size, adjustments when done blind are slow to react

I am running Imac 2.7 GHz    16 gb ram    600 gb hard drive available
adjustment brushes not showing size, adjustments when done blind are slow to react.

Bridge is far more than a file browser.   Bridge does what lightroom does.
When working with Raw files, there are tools,   **adjustment brushes** that allow you to dodge and burn raw files.
These brushes are size adjustable and now with CC, I can not see the size of the tool I am using.
So you might want to look at Bridge differently, as it is a very powerful tool.
Anyone else have a similar experience with CC version of Bridge?

No pin for the Adjustment Brush

New photo imported into LR4, applied adjustment brush and noticed there was no pin or anchor point for the brush. What happend to the pin? Closed the panel. Then opened the adjustment brush again and previous adjustment brush pin is not there - I can't edit previous adjustment brush. I tried the gradient tool and it places the pin allowing edits, but I get no pin for the adjustment brush. All else seems to be working ok, all beit a bit slow.
I've tried this multiple times on different images and I never get a pin for the adjustment brush. I even tried this on a dng file from LR3 with the same result - no pin.
Windows 7 64bit - all updates applied
Core2 Duo
4GB Memory
Nvidia Graphics Card

No worries ... I think EVERY keyboard has a mind of it's own at times ...

Adjustment brush artifacts

I noticed these artifacts when using the adjustment brush when I accidently had the sliders set to positions I normally wouldn't use. The artifacts show up no matter how fast or slow the brush cursor is moved. It happens when the flow is around the 50 setting and feathering is close to zero. The problem is easily eliminated by using a lower flow and more importantly a higher feather which is what I would normally use if I want to "paint" in an adjustment. This is just for user info and I don't consider this a glitch but just misuse of the sliders. I does show how the brush design works as overlaping circles though.

Here are the screen shots with the original, with Auto Mask on and without Auto Mask.
Thanks to C. Frans W for the suggestion of it being an Auto Mask issue.
Dorin, if you have any other comments, I would welcome them.
If C. Frans W has additional comments those are welcome also.

Adjustment Brush Effect Problem

I notice that when I move the adjustment brush around curves the effect doesn't follow my pattern but takes sharp straight angles from the start to the finish. For instance if I'm changing exposure in a U-shaped pattern I get the effect in a V-shape from the start to the tip of the "U" and back to the end. Sometimes it will just take the shortcut from the start to the finish and not follow the pattern I laid down. The only way to get what I want is to move very slowly. Way too slow for an effective workflow.
Any idea what would cause this?
Thanks,
Tom
XP Home
Pentium 4
2 Meg of memory

I'd guess that it is simply a very intensive task, and that it needs further fine tuning.
MMV, but for me the brush is just too unresponsive, sluggish and fussy for time limited professional work at this time. If you take it very slow and aren't in any hurry anyway, it may be satisfactory.
There are a lot of posts on this issue, so I hope it is one Adobe will be addressing soon. By the way, the brush behaved much the same in the beta version, so I suspect the LR team has had problems optimizing this feature, but had a marketing timeline to meet and released it in less than optimal readiness..

Kudos on adjustment brushes...

As a long time Lightroom user, since beta V1, I would like to give a kudos to the Lightroom team on the adjustment brushes. Sure they are slow, but the results are amazing and auto-mask usually works great when applying exposure compensation to a selective area.
Nice job! Now if we could only improve the sluggishness of Lightroom throughout.

Double post and answered here.

Lightroom crashes when using the Adjustment Brush

everytime i try to use the adjustment brush it crashes lightroom? help
Message title was edited by: Brett N

Hey Brett,
Thank you for your quick respond
Well, there was a message after it crashed asking me if I want to report or send an email, which I did. Then it says that Adobe is an able to know the problem. Maybe this is the message you are talking about.
I have imported the same file from another source, and to a new catalog. same thing. In fact, I managed to apply both tools before it crashes, now every time I go to the same photo and just zoom in and out, it crashes.
I then uninstalled 4.3 and downgraded to 4.2. It works fine with this version (even the same old file that caused everything) it is just really slow version. 4.1 (straight from the CD) was REALLY fast and with no issues.. or maybe I didn't get to push it to its limits. 4.3 is slower but crashes. 4.2 is very slow but never crashes.
I'm saying that after uninstalling and reinstalling all these versions couple of times each.
I was considering upgrading my OS to 10.8.3 (even though I really don't want to) just to see if I can run 4.3 properly. But then I read that 4.3 is widely problematic and that is why 4.4 is coming out so soon.
What do you suggest? Should I stick with 4.2 for the time being? Just received a reply from another staff member saying that I should just wait for 4.4 Is there any time frame to the release?
Sorry for making it this long..
Much obliged
Ab

First experiences with LR 5.0: manual file selection and Adjustment Brush

I must admit that I have not fiddled too long with LR 5.0. The reason is quite simple: its extreme slowness, even in comparison with 4.4, which is far from being fast. After slightly retouching some 40 images I fell back to 4.4 and finished testing 5.5 for a while. Anyway, in addition to the speed problem I have collected some - also not too promising - experiences:
After initially retouching the first image I wanted to copy some of its settings into the rest of the photos. Before clicking on the Sync button I had to select all the target files. Probably because of the relatively small number of images, instead of going to the "Edit / Select All" function I used "Shift+Right Arrow" for the selection. LR simply crashed...
In several cases I was not able to re-open and modify formerly 'adjustment-brushed' areas. When I moved the cursor above the relevant white 'knob-shaped' mark, nothing happened. The cursor did not even change to hand form, so the "Effect" panel remained dark and the formerly set parameters did not come up. As I kept the cursor there for ages and the image was not 'over-adjusted' (as also indicated by the small size of the associated XMP file), this failure was surely not a result of the above-referred slowness.
Once I selected an already retouched image, with the Adjustment Brush tool open. The existing adjustment mark came up over a formerly brushed area. Then, without doing anything with the open image, I moved to the next picture. To my surprise, the Adjustment Brush marks of both photos appeared on the last opened image - the one, which belonged to the previous picture and another, associated with the second picture. It goes without saying that I was not able to click on any of the Adjustment Brush marks. Closing and re-opening the Adjustment Brush tool did not help, so I had to restart LR.

I must admit that I have not fiddled too long with LR 5.0. The reason is quite simple: its extreme slowness, even in comparison with 4.4, which is far from being fast. After slightly retouching some 40 images I fell back to 4.4 and finished testing 5.5 for a while. Anyway, in addition to the speed problem I have collected some - also not too promising - experiences:
After initially retouching the first image I wanted to copy some of its settings into the rest of the photos. Before clicking on the Sync button I had to select all the target files. Probably because of the relatively small number of images, instead of going to the "Edit / Select All" function I used "Shift+Right Arrow" for the selection. LR simply crashed...
In several cases I was not able to re-open and modify formerly 'adjustment-brushed' areas. When I moved the cursor above the relevant white 'knob-shaped' mark, nothing happened. The cursor did not even change to hand form, so the "Effect" panel remained dark and the formerly set parameters did not come up. As I kept the cursor there for ages and the image was not 'over-adjusted' (as also indicated by the small size of the associated XMP file), this failure was surely not a result of the above-referred slowness.
Once I selected an already retouched image, with the Adjustment Brush tool open. The existing adjustment mark came up over a formerly brushed area. Then, without doing anything with the open image, I moved to the next picture. To my surprise, the Adjustment Brush marks of both photos appeared on the last opened image - the one, which belonged to the previous picture and another, associated with the second picture. It goes without saying that I was not able to click on any of the Adjustment Brush marks. Closing and re-opening the Adjustment Brush tool did not help, so I had to restart LR.

Useless adjustment brush in LR2 on Vista

Does anyone have a solution as to why the adjustment brush just plainly does not work right in Vista? I have repaired the program, reinstalled the program, all to no avail. Very frustrated at this point. All the other features do seem to work correctly, but this is driving me nuts. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. (I expected more from Adobe than this) Thanks

The adjustment brush is slow and sluggish for a lot of users--the forum is full of such posts.
Does it work well--yes, on some systems. It was absolutely pitless for me, UNTIL I moved LR to our fastest machine, an Intel 9550, 4gigs Ram,1300 FSB,Sata 2 and Firewire 800 drives with an Nvidia 8600GT set to maximize performance and minimize quality in the 3D section of the Nvidia control panel.
I should add that this is on a machine used for productivity only--no games, no internet,cache and VM on separate physical drives, LR2 on non boot drive.
It took a lot of tweaking and experimentation to get to the point where it will smoke! I could not get the brush to work real time without lag and sluggish sliders on any of my other machines--largely, in retrospect, I think because they had Video cards that did not allow setting the card to high performance as opposed to high quality.
My view is that the real culprit is to be found in the Display Card settings on most machines. LR2 was fast on this high end machine, but the brush was sluggish until I followed a suggestion in a recent thread on Nvidia card solutions and set it to maximize performance instead of quality and saved that as an Nvidia preset for LR.
I suggest you look at your display card control for a possible solution. Take a look at this thread:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b65d9c/30
The larger question is a technical one perhaps Eric can answer: is there any way to write code to overcome this Video card interaction problem--Nvidia cards are ubiquitous. At the least Adobe could issue a possible warning that a potential problem exists.

Adjustment brush applies brush strokes randomly

I'm running XP & when I use the adjustment brush it slows down and then applies brush strokes in areas that I have not painted.

I have the same problem with Vista. How did you
solve it?

Problems with Adjustment Brush - LR 2.3, Macintosh

I've had numerous discussions with folks at Adobe's Tech Support and they have no idea what is going on with my problem in LR 2.3 on a Mac (10.5.6, 2 X 3 GHz dual Intel, 5 GB ram, startup drive has catalog, images stored on internal drive) so I thought I'd post the problem here just so it was brought to the attention of other folks at Adobe as well as the general user population.
I preform basic parametric edits (Exposure through Detail) on my images and then apply a number of adjustment brush edits to the images, mainly exposure, clarify, sharpen. All of these edits are done over perhaps 25% of the image at the very most, usually a lot less, say 10% of the image.
I then leave LR's Develop module and in the Library, I have used the "Update DNG Preview and Metadata" menu command for any photos that have the downward pointing arrow appearing in the top right corner. I'm not sure why this is necessary or why this indicator is showing since I have never exported these photos for external editing and I have the Metadata preference set in Catalog preferences to "Automatically write changes into XMP." I did have this setting off for some time and after reading Martin Evening's discussion of the pros and cons of using this feature decided to have it checked on.
When I return to my Adjustment Brush edited photos, the AB edits are splattered all over the image, not in any way like the edits I applied when I did the initial edits. I can see the edits quite clearly using the red overlay. Also, the AB control buttons are sometimes in different locations than where I had originally placed them. When this problem first occurred (LR 2.3 RC) it would take minutes to move from image to image in the Develop module. Lots of the Mac spinning beach ball! This is better in LR 2.3 though there is still a slow down after the AB has been applied.
I have exported and moved my catalog of photos to a new computer and the problem persists. I have removed the history to before the AB edits were applied and reapplied the edits and the problem comes back (I think as long as I use the Update DNG Preview and Metadata menu item?!?). I have checked the catalog for integrity as well as optimized the catalog. I have tried applying AB settings to other photos and I have yet to duplicate the problem though I am still testing this.
I showed the problem to Jeff Schewe at the Epson Print Academy in Los Angeles in February and he had no idea what was going on. This was before the release of 2.3. The problem first showed itself while I was using LR 2.3 RC and was also in LR 2.2. It now shows up in LR 2.3. I am being SUPER judicious about using the AB in it's current state and will have to go into Photoshop to do some of the things I wanted to do in Lightroom. I did send a copy of two of the images to Adobe tech support but I never heard anything about what happened with those examples.
Does anyone have any idea what may be going on? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated and I would be glad to clarify any parts of this post that are unclear or to try out any testing that might clear this up. This is happening to about 25 photos in my catalog.

The problem I was having with Lightroom 2.3 and the Adjustment Brush has resurfaced.
Since I had a large part of my hardware replaced as I indicated in my previous posts here I'm sure that the problem is not hardware related.
When the problem resurfaced I noticed that one of my external hard drives that is my Time Machine backup was running (accessing the disk). I cannot be sure but the image corruption may be related to Time Machine (Mac OS X 10.5.6) running while I have LR 2.3 running. This is just a complete guess. I have disabled Time Machine and only run it manually now when LR is not open. I have reopened my past tech support cases and we'll see if Adobe has anything to say about this. What a pain!
BTW, I too have been getting slower and slower performance after I apply the AB to an image. Here's is a sample of one of my corrupted images showing the "splattered" adjustment brush edits that I didn't do but LR decided were "artful." The "splattered" edits appear in many images and appear to have no reason, thus the "splattered" term - somewhat like Jackson Pollack.

Lethargic adjustment brush with auto mask on

Hello everyone ...
I am a new to this forum. I've been hanging out as an observer and have decided to get my feet wet with my first posting.
I'm a wedding photographer and have been a Lightroom user since the first beta release and totally love the program. I am using a mac G5 dual 2.7 with 6 GB of ram. Up until release 1.4 Lightroom has been great.
Release 2.0 has been another story. I have installed all updates including the newly released 2.1. It appears there is still an issue with the adjustment brush. If I use the brush without 'auto mask' the brush flows smoothly. As soon as 'auto mask' is engaged the tool becomes useless. The flow is slow and choppy, plus I have to contend with an almost constant spinning beach ball.
Has anyone else been experiencing this problem? Is there a fix? Or, might this be an issue that Adobe is still working on.
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to introduce myself and any help with this issue would be most appreciated.
Thanks ... Fred

From the Known Issues sections of the release notes:
>We are still working on additional methods to improve the performance of the new Localized Correction features.
As you've already observed, leaving the Auto Mask off is the best way of avoiding poor brush performance.

Slow adjustment brush

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