Slow boot, 3 min. of blue screen

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I have read many slow boot, and blue screen issues here. I have re-installed SL.
I have removed the LaunchDaemons, ran /sbin/fsck -fy (no repair needed).
I did repair permissions and received this message:
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAg ent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
I'm running OS X 10.6.3 on a MacBookPro 3,1 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 160Gb drive with 69Gb avail.
It takes 3.5 minutes to boot with 3 of them stuck on the blue screen after the apple is gone.
any help would be much appreciated.
thank you
dan

chuckychu1983 wrote:
mmmhhh i was also looking for suspicious trash in preferences. how did u manage to think it was that corrupt file?
Hi c,
The safest way to test for things like this is to create a backup clone (CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper! or Time Machine), make sure it's totally current, and then you can go in and do things that you wouldn't normally do; if you create more problems, then you can just clone the pre-problems backup back to your internal HD and you're back to where you started. I learn a lot this way (not all of it good! ). I have multiple backups, and I'm still freaked out when I move/trash/change something and my Mac won't boot. Then it's just a matter of cloning back or restoring things from TM.
Message was edited by: tjk

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