Slow render times in Premiere when linking After Effects media

I'm an Avid Media Composer editor but I just switched to Premiere for a special project that needs to have non-interlaced output. I've been pretty impressed until I integrated an After Effects project into my timeline. My render times have now increased exponentially, despite the fact that the After Effects effects are quite simple - single layers of video with very simple moves. Can anyone else chime in with their experience integrating After Effects projects into Premiere? This just seems too horrible to be true.

I've found that the time to render out of After Effects versus the time to render a Dynamic Link comp in PPro is roughly identical. In fact, in many cases it's a bit quicker.
For heavy duty comps, I'd expect to see PPro struggle a little bit more, but definitely not with the basic work you seem to be talking about.

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Slow render time in Premiere Pro CS4 (with fast computer?)

Hello people on the Adobe Forums,
I hope someone can help me with this question, it's been bothering me a long long time now and this week i have to make a decision, or fix the problem and keep this configuration, or spend money for a new cpu (i5 750) and a new motherboard. But i think this computer should do better then it does. I have the following configuration:
AMD Athlon X2 4600+
Nvidia GeForce 7800GTX
2× 1Gb OCZ memory (DDR, PC2400, 250mhz)
Storage Disks:
Seagate 320GB SATA (7200, i think)
WD 74GB SATA (10.000RPM, OS)
Hitachi 500GB SATA (also 7200, i think)
WD 1TB USB (SATA) (extern hdd)
WD 250GB SATA (7200, i think)
So, i don't understand the problem, Premiere is running very slow on my computer.. The rendering of a 5min piece of just a random movie takes like 3 hours! Just right now i am rendering some things I filmed with my mobile, it does like 1 frame in 10sec!! On most pc's with this vice versa!
So the cpu is not that old, and neither is the videocard, meaby the memory is a little bit low.. Could that be the problem?
Hope you people can help me out, i searched Google and everywhere but can't find anyone with this problem..
List of software:
- Windows 7 Ultimate
- Adobe Premiere Pro CS4
Drivers are, as far as i know, all up to date, i updated the Adobe programs too..
Describe source material, Codec: XDCAM-EX Movie (mp4)
But like i said, it happens too avi too, it think that was DivX..
I bought this pc second-hand, so it could be that something in the processor is already broken and i didn't notice it at all.. i searched like everywhere and also tried too reinstall the program but that doesn't work either..
Some more info:
http://www.creadion.nl/premiere/info.jpg
http://www.creadion.nl/premiere/info.nfo
http://www.creadion.nl/premiere/DxDiag.txt
Ohye, and the PPBM: http://www.creadion.nl/premiere/Output_PPBM4.txt
With friendly regards,
Marinus

Well, I'm helping other people too here on some dutch foras and i hate how people say things like "Doesn't work. Help" and just wait and wait for someone to answer. Plus i want to order my new hardware this evening (10:27pm now here), so meaby that's a 'cause' too, to make you people answer fast! (and it worked! hehe)
So, what i am thinking of right now is to upgrade the motherboard, cpu and ram.. The videocard can wait a little more:
- Motherboard: MSI P55-GD65 (not sure of this one, good reviews&tests, Asrock P55 Extreme is an option too.. be my guest to do another recommendation) (Asus P7P55D seems like a good option)
- CPU: Probably an I5 750 from Intel, heard good things about this one.. Although i've always used AMD..
- RAM: I really don't know, don't see many differences between the RAM sticks.. But yeh: OCZ Gold OCZ3G2000LV4GK
Sorry for no links to product pages, you have to do a little search, i only got some dutch websites, and i know for sure that you all having you're own comparing/specs websites (which i don't know) .
Thank you very much untill now, meaby i get another reply tonight.. Ohye, plans changed, i'm not ordering tonight anymore.. I'll do that tomorrow morning (I'll do a few calls to a view webshops and see if they got in stock, if so, i'm gonna drive (or go with bus) to one of them.. I need it really really quick, need to submit a project from school August 30
Thanks everyone!
Just took a look at the links you gave me, the Asus P7P55D is an option too!
Took a look at the links, added the "Asus P7P55D".
What i forgot to mention: I got a budget with a max of like €400,- (That's like 510usd, I don't even really have the money) so I can't buy a whole new pc..

I have the current Mac Pro the entry level with the default specification and i feel some slow performance when applying after effects on my videos using final cut pro and also rendering a video takes long time ? what upgrades do you guys suggest?

i have the current Mac Pro the entry level with the default configuration and i feel lack of performance when applying after effects on my videos using final cut pro and also rendering a video takes long time ? what upgrades do you guys suggest i could do on my Mac Pro ?

256GB SSD it shipped with will run low and one of the things to watch.
Default memory is 12GB also something to think about.
D500 and FCP-X 10.1+
http://macperformanceguide.com/index_topics.html#MacPro2013Performance
Five models of 2013 Mac Pro running Resolve, FCPX, After Effects, Photoshop, and Aperture

Program monitor constantly freezing/stalling when playing dynamically linked After Effects comps

I'm having program monitor issues when I try to play dynamically linked After Effects comps from my Premiere timeline. I realize it's expected to have jerky playback since After Effects comps are memory and CPU intense, but it doesn't seem normal for these things to happen:
Sometimes during playback, the program monitor completely freezes while audio continues to play and the CTI continues to move along timeline. When this happens, there's no way to stop the playback at all using mouse or keyboard... so I'm forced to just quit Premiere and re-open project.
Program monitor can also freeze when I place the CTI on top of the After Effects comp. Sometimes if I wait a minute, the screen could update and eventually display the After Effects comp.
I'm unable to render effects on the Premiere timeline because it just hangs at "Rendering frame 0" and never advances forward.
There's nothing special about the After Effects comp I'm linked to... it could just be regular text that I animated using ease keyframes and motion blur.
I originally thought it was related to GPU settings but it doesn't make a difference if I set After Effects to use CPU instead of GPU or set Premiere's Mercury Playback engine to software, CUDA, or openGL. I even have the latest CUDA drivers installed on my Mac. But I must mention that this issue got significanly worst after updating to OSX 10.9 Mavericks.
Here's my system details:
OSX 10.9 Mavericks
Premiere 7.0.1 (105)
After Effects 12.0.1.7 (I installed the OS X Mavericks crash update fix)
The most prevalent error messages displayed in the OSX console is:
Adobe Premiere Pro CC[402]: dynamic_cast error 1: Both of the following type_info's should have public visibility. At least one of them is hidden. N5dvaui2ui8MessageTIKNS0_7UI_NodeEEE, N5dvaui8controls23UI_PictureSupplyMessageE.
Here's a few that are less common:
Adobe Premiere Pro CC[402]: [PremiereCocoaMacApplication handleMenuCommand:1633841013 from <DVAMacMenuItem: 0x6100002f8300 About Premiere Pro>]
After Effects[377]: -[NSMenu menuID]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x600000077080
If anybody has any ideas or suggestions, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
-Pete

I think I found the problem... OSX Mavericks introduced a power saving feature called App Nap that basically slows down an app that appears to be doing nothing or is minimized in the background.
So essentually when I try to display an After Effects dynamically linked comp via my Premiere timeline, it freezes because OSX put After Effects to sleep.
To fix this, I had to disable the App Nap feature on After Effects. Now everything is performing back at pre-Mavericks levels (which is about 10% stalling playback issues vs 90% stalling). I also noticed that all of the console errors went away.
To disable App Nap in OSX...
Go to your Applications folder
Expand the After Effects CC folder
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Add a checkmark beside "Prevent App Nap"
Restart the application
I also did this with all my Adobe apps just to be safe.
Hope this helps
-Pete

How to Render a TIFF image sequence with After Effects or Premiere

So I shot a timelapse in RAW using my D5200. Developed the images, imported into after effects to make a composition at 1080p 24fps, the clip is 15 seconds long. Then I rendered the clips a few ways and none of them are what I want:
I used the H.264 first, its just pixelated and blocky, doesn't retain a smooth resolution. H.264 output an MP4 that was 6.5 MB.
Then I tried lossless and it output an AVI which is awesome resolution but the file is 2 gigs! Not even VLC media player will play it smoothly without buffering.
Last I tried H.264 BluRay which output an M4V file which is 45 MB and I can't get it to play.
So now I'm here asking you all what the way to go is. When I download films, I will aim for a 1-2 gig 720p or 1080p file on roughly 2hr films. The resolution is great, the audio is great and the file like I said is only 1.5gigs average. So what are the rendering settings I should be using to get a file like this? Should I be importing it into Premiere Pro first or what?
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For Reference, here was my workflow:
I generally followed an Adorama Rich Harrington Time-Lapse youtube video on workflow which was:
Developed the Raw files in Camera Raw
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Imported into After Effects as a TIF sequence
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Then did the rendering as detailed above

1. You don't need to export your TIFF sequence so as to import it into After Effects, you can import RAW image sequence into After Effects directly. Camera RAW will start automatically on importing. What is more, you will be able to change your Camera RAW settings at any time you want inside your AE project: in Project panel select your RAW image sequence, right-click, choose Interpret Footage -> Main... In the dialog box click More Options... button (at bottom left), and Camera RAW opens.
2. Do NOT export to H.264 out of After Effects directly. If you need to export your composition to H.264, export it out of Adobe Media Encoder. Start from HDTV preset. If your goal is to upload your media file on e.g. YouTube, done. If you want to play it back on your computer, but your mediaplayer can't playback it in real time, start to decrease bitrate settings. Keep in mind that modern AVCHD cameras shoot with 28 Mbps, first AVCHD camcorders were shooting with 17 Mbps, YouTube preset in Adobe Media Encoder sets bitrate to 10 Mbps, Vimeo preset - to 8 Mbps.
Choose VBR, 2 Pass so as to benefit from better quality out of smaller file size.
See this The Video Road blogpost on Understanding Colour Processing and benefits of Render at Maximum Depth option.
3. If you're planning to use your After Effects composition in Premiere Pro project, you can use Adobe Dynamic Link. If your After Effects composition is quite complex, render a Digital Intermediate out of After Effects and import it into Premiere Pro. See this discissuon in AE Forum on some production codecs comparison.
P.S. See also this FAQ: What are the best export settings? entry.

Dynamically linked After Effects comps causing Premiere to freeze (after latest updates)

Normally in a dynamic link, any changes made in After Effects would be displayed in Premiere within a few seconds. However, after the latest software updates... it now takes 1-2 minutes and the Premiere interface is completely frozen during that time.
Anybody else having similar issues?
-Pete

Hi, thanks for the link but I'm having a different issue. My Premiere interface actually freezes and I'm unable to use Premiere for 1-2 minutes.
App Nap is disabled for all Adobe apps and I do frequenly empty my Adobe Media Cache and After Effects disk cache and it doesn't prevent the freezing.
Or sometimes just having a dynamically linked After Effects comp on the timeline slows Premiere down to the point where even scrolling through assets in my project panel is very jerky.

Error code U44M1P34 when trying to update Premiere Pro and After Effects- tried everything, nothing works

I am out of ideas here. I had several program installed for months with no issues. Every update was fine. I haven't moved any installations or changed configurations, etc. I have probably a dozen CC apps installed or more.
Then out of nowhere, I start getting an error U44M1P34 when trying to update Premiere Pro. After Effects updates give me a similar error.
1. Tried uninstalling these apps, then restarting, then installing again, but no luck. It tells me that installation was successful, but an update failed.
2. I tried clearing all temp files, etc. No luck.
3. I uninstalled EVERYTHING Adobe related on my computer. Restarted. Ran the Cleaner tool as admin. Restarted. Installed Creative Cloud then tried to install Premiere Pro. Same problem.
So after all that, including putting my work on hold so I can uninstall everything from my machine and try all this junk, it still gives me an error. I can't update those two programs, and maybe more(hard to say since some programs haven't had updates since this started, so it might be worse than just those two).
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I've pretty much read every post of every thread where this error message is at. I've looked at my log files, but don't see anything fatal(please tell me what I'm supposed to be looking for as the instructions given are vague at best).
I just need to get this stuff installed and updated. Any ideas? Since I've literally removed Adobe's presence from my computer, then started from scratch, what else is there to try? I haven't moved ANYTHING to another drive or partition. Everything is in the same place it was since 10 months ago when I started CC.
I'm running Windows 8.1 Update 1 64-bit. 16GB RAM, hundreds of GB of HD space remaining. Geforce GTX760m (also have the Intel 4600 integrated graphics, for whatever that's worth).
I've run both PP and AE just fine, and they even run fine without the update. But I WANT to update them.
Ideas or thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.
Brent

Well, the Adobe rep hasn't called me yet.
The good news though is that it's no longer an issue. Since the 2014 versions of the Adobe CC apps were released today, I was able to install/update just fine. So it was something with the previous update that was broken, or something like that.
FWIW, the new 2014 editions are fantastic so far. Some great improvements that I'm happy with. I just wonder whether this update issue will rear it's ugly head again with a later revision?
Time will tell. Thanks for the help regardless!
Brent

Re-linking After Effects assets inside Premiere

I have a premiere project that has a dynamically linked After Effects project. I wanted to rename the folder that all my footage resides in. When I do that I relink all my footage / After Effects files when I open the project. That all works great. However, the After Effects project itself is referencing the footage in the old location resulting in bars and tones showing up. How do I tell After Effects where the footage is now?
If I open up the After Effects project and double click on one of the missing assets to relink it, it trys to browse my hard drive looking for what I named the sub-clip inside Premiere. I need it to reference a clip inside Premiere.

That does work: you don't need to reference a clip inside PrPro, 'cos a clip inside PrPro is just the link to a footage on your hard drive. When you replace a clip or a group of clips in PrPro timeline with dynamically linked comp, AE creates a new composition and imports those clip(s) into the project. But then again, those clips are just links to original footages on your hard drive with properly set In and Out points in the newly created composition. Hence, select a missing clip in AE Project panel, right-click and choose Replace Footage -> File..., locate the original footage on your hard drive and open it up. If all missing footages are in the same folder, AE will automatically find the rest.

Dynamic link between Premiere pro and After effects versions?

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uninstall (using the uninstallers), clean Use the CC Cleaner Tool to solve installation problems | CC, CS3-CS6 and then reinstall.

Adobe Media Encoder CC renders do not reflect changes to Dynamically Linked After Effects Comps

When rendering a Premiere timeline with a dynamically linked After Effects composition, Adobe Media Encoder will sometimes use an older version of the linked composition (even after I have saved changes in the After Effects comp).
For example, if I correct a spelling mistake on some text in After Effects, save the composition, and then add the sequence to the render queue in Premiere, the final output from media encoder still has the old spelling.
If I do a straight export from Premiere instead of adding to render queue, the output is always correct. I've noticed this problem on several different Windows 8.1 systems.
All versions of the software are up to date as of today.
Why is this? Is it something to do with the disk cache in After Effects? Does media encoder have it's own cache that I need to clear?

Hi, I've been having this same issue. Here are some additional things I've noticed about it:
Changes are reflected properly when played back on timeline in Pr CC 2014.
Happens regardless if the dynamic link file was rendered or not, thus deleting the render files does not fix the issue.
The issue can persist through saving, closing, and reopening both AE and Pr.
I'm using OSX 10.9.4, so this is not just a PC issue.
Other than manually watching for every change to be reflected in the render, there is no way to know a problem has occurred. Needless to say this can be incredibly costly.
Please address this quickly, it's completely unacceptable that what we render out could be a different version from what we see on the timeline.
PS Some additional things I will be testing:
Does the issue persist through closing all CC apps, including Media Encoder.
Does rendering directly out of Pr, i.e. not using Media Encoder, fix the issue.

How much does Premiere Pro and After Effects rely on the hard drive it's installed on?

This may be a really dumb question, but how much does Premiere Pro and After Effects rely on the hard drive it's installed on if all your video files, assets, disk cache, etc are on different drives than the one the program itself is installed on?
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The alternative is to get a second monitor because I currently only use one 21" monitor.
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Premiere Pro - replace After Effects composition with original footage?

I have a Premiere Pro project where I have replaced some clips with linked After Effects compositions (= doing the grading and stabilization in AE).
Is there a way of undoing this and easily reverting to the original clips in the place of the linked compositions? I'm thinking of a command that would simply restore the original clips.
Thanks!

No such animal, I'm afraid, though it would be nice. You have a couple options:
Always, always, always be sure to duplicate your sequence and stash it away somewhere in your project before doing the Replace. That way you have something to go back to if you need it. Always.
Immediately after initiating a Replace (and letting the comp be created in AE with all footage imported), Edit > Undo (Ctrl+Z) the action in Premiere. This will undo the Replace and remove the comp from Premiere, BUT the comp will still be created and all footage placed in it in After Effects. After you do your work in AE, just drag the AE comp into Premiere, and plop it on a track above your original edit. That way, you can easily tweak the original edit in Premiere, and then copy and paste stuff back in AE to your DL'ed comp, if you need to.
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Make a feature request for your initial concept: Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

Slow render times in Premiere when linking After Effects media

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