Sluggish timeline movements

Hello everyone, I'm new in the forum and this is my first post.
I have a particular (I think the "only") problem in Premiere Pro CS5.5
When I try to move between the entire timeline the "screen update" is so slow, take between 2 or 3 seconds to show in the Program Monitor the video when I click in a clip in the timeline. Also if I want to move the "current-time indicator" a little bit fast the Program Monitor just freezes and when release the "current-time indicator" take also 2 or 3 seconds to show the clip where the "current-time indicator" is placed. That's is annoying and really lose too time to do that.
I thought that was problem of the Mercury but activated o desactivated is the same problem, also thought that was problem of the Hard Drive, but with internal or external is the same thing, and I just install Avid Composed to try it (in trial version) and work really fast when move the "current-time indicator", so the hard drive isn't the problem.
In CS4 never had this problem.
Video-Files: DSLR Canon 7D/5D
Laptop Asus
Windows 7
i7 quad 1.7 ghz
nVIDIA GeForceM
The realtime, the all other features is works perfectly fine, I mean, I'm very very happy with CS5.5, is amazing, but want that my Premiere run very well ...
Oh! I forget, Sorry for my poor English
Greetings from Mexico

Hello Jorge!
I have a very similar laptop, the Asus G73jw and edit the MOV files from the Canon Rebel T2i....which I believe are the same as your camera's. I am using PPro CS 5.03.
I installed more memory in my machine.....increased it to 14GB from the original 8GB. I would have put 16GB in, but, the last slot is not user accessable,( under the keyboard)...all works fine and it is dual channel memory. I have the i7 740QM CPU and in trying to reach the best "throughput" for this laptop, I replaced the original boot hard drive with a Corsair F120GB SSD....it does over 200MB/second read and write, as compared to a standard 7200rpm HDD, which is around 100MB/ second....the internal drives will run at SATA II speeds on this machine, ( the Sandy Bridge i7's will run faster at SATA III speeds).
I also installed a second Corsair F120 SSD in the laptop to maintain the higher throughput speed of both internal drives, even though the penalty is far less capacity and higher cost. In addition, using the USB 3 external port, I have a 500GB Seagate Momentus Hybrid drive attached via a USB 3 dock in order to achieve Harm's recommended 3 drive setup. ( Although using the SSD in this dock limited the speed to ~ 100MB/sec !!!....so much for the highly touted USB 3 speed...a big disappointment!!)
You can see my test results on the PPBM5 benchmark website that Harm and Bill have created to compare the speed of various machines and configurations. My laptop earned a 372 second total time under the name " JP's Asus G73." Surprisingly, the score is higher than a lot of desktops that are listed. I do not have the " lagging" problem I saw on your video...I suspect your hard drive setup needs to be faster. Harm and Bill have pointed out that in a desktop system, SSD's are not beneficial...however, in a laptop that has two SATA drive bays without the benefit of RAID, using the Corsairs F series , ( which have a good read and write throughput) may improve your performance. You can run the PPBM5 test on your machine to see how it is working.....there are other i7 740QM machines listed on the results that tested much slower due to not enough RAM, and slower HDD configurations.
In any case, working with these highly compressed codecs on a laptop will not be as good as would be on a fast desktop....you may need more RAM and maybe one or two SSD's in your machine to get the maximum performance out of it. Good Luck!
JFPhoton

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