Small Caps Problem

I use Helvetica Neue, and have for the last 4 years. Recently, whenever I change lower case type to small caps, funky looking characters show up. If I export to a PDF, the small caps are fine. What's happening?

Can you give us a screencap with an example?

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Problem with Small Caps

I have a problem with small caps when using Times New Roman and Helvetica, but not when using Adobe Garamond Pro, and would like to find out why.
I generate the small caps within InDesign by the "TT" box in the Control Window. Adobe Garamond comes up with beautiful small caps that blend in with the surrounding text. When I do the same with Helvetica, the small caps, especially if they have normal caps amongst them, are quite inelegant looking because of different letter widths.
So I did some experiments with half a dozen other serif and sans-serif fonts and none of them were as elegant as Adobe Garamond Pro. For a sample of what I mean, download:
http://www.mediafire.com/?z5fm0zndmzm
which compares three fonts: Adobe Garmond, Heletica, and Times New Roman.
Unfortunately, I did not pick up this problem until I received my first proof from the printers, and now I will have to change all the Helvetica small caps to normal caps, as I can see no other way of overcoming this inelegancy.
I checked in New Scientist magazine (it uses a serif and sans-serif font throughout, and what I thought I remembered as small caps to begin their stories) to see what they do, but they actually use caps instead of small-caps at the beginning of stories.
Three questions:
Q1: Is the way I generate small caps the correct way?
Q2: Is there something wrong with my Helvetica and Times New Roman fonts?
Q3: Could it be that only Adobe Garamond has an internal, properly designed small caps?
I have checked the attributes of the fonts: Garamond is Open Type Postscript, Helvetica is PostScript Type 1 , and Times New Roman is TrueType.
Any comments most appreciated.

Thanks for the hints. I tried Scott's method and it works with a bit of extra adjustment. The settings I obtained for 12 point Helvetica were:
Horizontal and vertical scaling: 70.5%;
Stroke: 0.1 pt
Tracking: +25 em
Baseline shift: +0.1 pt
The steps to obtain small-caps 12 pt Helvetica are:
Step 1: Type text as normal.
Step 2: Select only the lower-case text you want to convert to small caps. i.e if what is to become small caps already has a capital (such as a place name) do not apply the settings to the capitals, unless that's the effect you want.
Step 3: Apply the above settings manually or via or Character Style.
Problem 1: How do I rid my Character Style of the font size so that only the scaling factors remain? As it is, if I want to apply small-caps to a different font size than the one I have set up, I have to manually change the font size after applying the style.
Problem 2: The scaling factors do not appear to work for changes in font size. When I used 24 pt and applied the above settings, the small-caps were too thin. The method only really works for a particular size, which in reality is all you would normally require.

Small caps in running heads - mixed case problem

My running head is set to be small caps, and it picks up mixed-case text from the document. I want the head to be all 'lower case' small caps (or 'upper case', unless that really means ordinary caps) but can see no way to achieve this. Instead I get 'mixed case' small caps, if that makes any sense. If I select the head on the master page and then Type | Change Case, this has no effect on the appearance either on the master or the generated heads. How do I achieve uniform small caps where the source text for the running head is mixed-case? If small .indd attachments were allowed I would have attached one, but it got rejected despite not being llisted as a forbidden type.

A few ways to do this:
a script: http://jsid.blogspot.com/2005/09/script-of-day-changing-case-again.html
or in your paragraph styles use OT small caps (assuming you're using an OT font)
I also set up a keyboard shortcut, to Type > Change Case > lowercase
you could probably do it with GREP too...

Pages 4.2 no Small Caps can be activated

I use a lot Pages for texts, flyers and posters. There seems to be a serious bug within Pages 4.2. if you open the typo panel and activate the Small Caps feature or Opentype fonts they though they can be clicked Pages does not transform the marked text into Small Caps. So the this opentype feature doesn't finction under Pages any more. I experienced also kerning problems within Pages 4.2 using the word "Test". There is no kerning between T and e using the Fakt font from Ourtype. The same problems don't occur in TextEdit and the same problems never occured under Leopard or Lion, so it seems to be a sole Pages 4.2. problem under Mountain Lion. I reported it to the Apple Bug Reporter (no reply so far) but would be interested what you guys think of it and if you experience the same problems?

Sorry for the spelling and grammar errors, here again the topic:
There seems to be a serious bug within Pages 4.2. If you open the typography panel and activate the small caps feature of opentype fonts though you can click the check-box Pages does not transform the marked text into small caps. So this opentype feature (small caps) doesn't function under Pages any more.
I experienced also kerning problems within Pages 4.2 using the word "Test". There is no kerning between T and e using the Fakt font from Ourtype. (There was never every any issue with this under Leopard or Lion!)
The same problems don't occur in TextEdit under Mountain Lion, so it seems to be a sole Pages 4.2. problem under Mountain Lion.
I reported it to the Apple Bug Reporter (no reply so far) but would be interested what you guys think about this and if you experience the same problems?

Table and columns in small caps!

Dear All,
My database is 11gR2 and Linux is the OS.
One of my application, whose code I am unable to access, it trying to insert records in Oracle database. The problem is that application is case sensitive and try to find table name and columns in small caps, while it gets upper case from Oracle and give error or invalid identifier.
Is there any option to create table and fields with small letters.
Kindly help.
Regards,
Imran

misterimran wrote:
...The problem is that application is case sensitive and try to find table name and columns in small caps...What application could look for tables/columns in small caps ? As stated above, creating tables/columns enclosed by double quotes might help, but that'd mean the code must use double quotes everywhere...
while it gets upper case from Oracle and give error or invalid identifier. It get as is, please show the error.
Nicolas.

Small caps - is there a way to change size ratio of lower to upper case?

I am using Adobe InDesign CS4 and one problem I've had is that when I select Small Caps on the character styles panel, lower case characters are about 60% the size of upper case characters. I'd like this to be more around 80% in my document.
I don't see a way to do this, so I'm having to avoid using Small Caps and am having to select various portions of each word and set them to different sizes.
Is there a setting I am missing for Small Caps that would save me this trouble? My typeface is Minion so I may also see if there's a variant available that uses well-crafted small caps.
Tim

Dave,
>.. adjust the size of the "lowercase" characters by using a GREP style
Yes ... and no.
It doesn't have to be an extremely complicated GREP style. You mention Unicode ranges, but it's not even necessary. You could try
>[a-z]
to select all lowercase characters, but it leaves out accented ones. Now specifying ranges for these doesn't work very good (to put it mildly), because they do not appear consecutively in the Unicode set.
Fortunately, GREP has a wildcard
>\l
for "lowercase", and this matches
i every
lowercase character (even Greek and Russian ones). It's equal to the POSIX expression
>[[:lower:]]
As this seems to work just the way you want, then why the "No"? The GREP style will be applied to
i all
lowercase characters in the paragraph, not just to the words you wanted.
[Warning: Dirty trick follows. Do Not Copy Unless Forced To.]
Of course you can
i force
the GREP style pick up 'unique' words by making them unique somehow. If you insert an invisible character
i before
and
i after
the words you want to mark -- in the case at hand, the ones you want to small-capitalize --, you can include the invisible characters in the GREP style. For example, by specifying
>~-\l+~-
you can "mark" words by inserting a soft hyphen before and after certain words. (This example also presumes only lowercase characters inbetween.) You don't have to use the soft hyphen, there are a couple more markers you could (ab)use. I think I'll leave it up to your imagination to wonder where it could possibly go wrong.

Small caps stuck ON?

it appears i have a toggle set to "ON" and don't know how to turn it off. all my text is coming in with small caps instead of lower case no matter what font i choose. i can't find a setting for this. anybody know how to fix this? i'm using pse 2.0.

thanks, guys, i think i found the solution. i clicked on the text tool, then right-clicked over the first tile on the text tool bar (it has a capital "t" on it). a menu popped up with "reset tool" as one of the options. i clicked that option and it seems to be working properly now. not sure how i toggled to small caps to begin with, but my main problem seems to be solved now. thanks again for your suggestions.

Small caps display as squares when exporting to PDF

Hello friends
I am using Indesign CS2. I've finished formatting my book and tried to export it to PDF.
It has all worked beautifully, with one snag: every font that was in small caps has displayed as squares.
If I change the style from small caps to "normal" or "all caps" then it displays in PDF correctly, even though it is the same font, same size etc.
Thing is, I really want to use small caps to differentiate my chapter headings as I think it looks stylish.
Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?
Helena

Hi Peter
I've removed all the small caps and replaced them with all caps in a different font. It looks fine. Problem solved!
There is something even more pressing on me now --- Indesign is refusing to change a style.
The footnotes text is too small, so I want to change it up from 8pt to 9pt.
OK easy, I hear you say! Just go to paragraph styles> footnote> edit style> change the font size from 8 to 9. Well I did that 3 hours ago and have been fighting with it ever since.
Now I am going to have to highlight each and every one of the 650 footnotes and apply 10pt to them. If I had known 3 hrs ago that I was going to spend 3 hours fiddling, I would have spent that time changing the footnotes one by one.

IWorks: no small caps can be activated

Hi there, I wonder why so far no body has picked up or discussed a serious bug in iWorks that is: that no true small caps from opentype fonts can be activated via the typography panel within Mountain Lion. The problem exists with Pages 4.2., Numbers 2.2., and Keynote 5.2. Its also impossible to install the former version of Pages, 4.1., under Mountain Lion, where this function still worked. There are also problem with the kerning. Opentype fonts who have kerning like Fakt from Ourtype have no kerning in iWork products but they have it in TextEdit. Within TextEdit those problem don't exist.
I reported these problems to https://bugreport.apple.com/ but no response so far.

Sorry for the spelling and grammar errors, here again the topic:
There seems to be a serious bug within Pages 4.2. If you open the typography panel and activate the small caps feature of opentype fonts though you can click the check-box Pages does not transform the marked text into small caps. So this opentype feature (small caps) doesn't function under Pages any more.
I experienced also kerning problems within Pages 4.2 using the word "Test". There is no kerning between T and e using the Fakt font from Ourtype. (There was never every any issue with this under Leopard or Lion!)
The same problems don't occur in TextEdit under Mountain Lion, so it seems to be a sole Pages 4.2. problem under Mountain Lion.
I reported it to the Apple Bug Reporter (no reply so far) but would be interested what you guys think about this and if you experience the same problems?

Photoshop CS3 can't do lowercase type-only large and small caps

Photoshop CS3, G5 PowerMac Dual 2GHz w/ 7GB RAM
A weird Photoshop problem: using the type tool, I can only produce type in large-and-small-caps, as opposed to upper and lower case. I can't generate any lowercase text. I've tried all the usual diagnostic tools: trashing the prefs seemed to work at first, but it's destructive of other stuff I don't want to lose, and anyway the problem came back after a while. I tried the Phantom User, and learned that the problem is tied to my User Identity, i.e., the problem doesn't exist in other User identities, but how do I make use of that information? I considered migrating to a new user identity, but I would have to go through every single appliciation, blah blah blah. So: does anybody have a quick, elegant solution to this, or is this a problem that has suddenly cropped up elsewhere? I'm not crippled by it, thanks to Illustrator CS3, but it's a convenience that I miss. And how do I trash the PS prefs without losing my brush tool presets?

Birck, >trashing the prefs seemed to work at first, but it's destructive of other stuff I don't want to lose, What "destruction" are you talking about? >and anyway the problem came back after a while. I assume this happens with fonts other than those (such as Trajan Std) that were designed with just caps and small caps. It sounds like it may be a duplicate or corrupted font issue. Did you use a good font manager to check for duplicate or corrupted fonts? Did you clear font caches (with Cocktail)? > tried the Phantom User, I see a black mask, cape and scary organ music here. <g> If logging in as a new user clears the problem, you may have a corrupted user identity and should stop using it. Neil

Small Caps Not Working Suddenly

Hello,
I am having problems with a typeface in a pamphlet I am working on. Earlier saved versions of this file are fine, but I'm curious why all of a sudden, my "small caps" aren't working in both Character Styles and toggling the option outside of the Character Styles. It's only happening with the typeface I want to use: Futura Std. If I supplement with Gill Sans, or something, it seems to work fine then. What might cause this, and why would it work in earlier saved versions, but not my new packaged version? It works with my plain "Futura," but not my OpenTypeface "Futura Std." Thoughts?

HI Peter, thanks for responding. I'm working in CC5 and yes, I read Bob's post. I wasn't able to get it work. Additionally, I'm having problems when converting to PDF. In one document the text is fine but when I create a PDF the text gets all messed up, the letters turn into different letters of all different sizes. It's fine when I convert to JPEG.
Alec

Small caps not working in web fonts

Hi everyone,
I'm having a problem implementing OpenType features in web fonts. No matter what typeface or browser I use—and I've tried several of each—I can't get the CSS font-face property to listen to font-variant:small-caps. In every case, the browser synthesizes its own small caps by scaling the full caps, which of course looks terrible.
The typefaces I've tried with this are all open-source advanced fonts: Cabin, Cardo, Lato, and Sorts Mill Goudy, all of which support small caps at least in their roman, regular-weight face. I've used Firefox 5, Opera 11.5, and the latest build of Iron (Chrome without Big Brother), all to no avail.
It's worth mentioning that other properties of advanced web typography, such as automatic ligatures (as well as the font-face property itself), are all working.
You can see my test page at http://www.utcolmus.org/test.html , and the CSS file at http://www.utcolmus.org/main.css. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Bram

Yeah, that doesn't work.
CSS 3 supports directly accessing real small caps. Currently only Firefox supports this, and only via moz-prefixed properties (which makes sense as CSS 3 isn't final yet).
http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/11/firefox-4-font-feature-support/

Small Caps ePub Issue

I am working on putting text into the ePub format and keep running into the same issue.
I want the title of the chapter to utilize Small Caps. Within InDesign I've got it look exactly the way I wish for it to - "Chapter One" appearing with small caps.
I've Highlighted the phrase "Chapter One" and applied a paragraph style that has the following features:
[no paragraph style] + next [same style] + Times New Roman + size: 24 pt + small point
When I export to ePub to view the document in Adobe Digital Editions these changes are not present. I've tried just about everything from applying character styles and nested styles, but nothing is working. I'd like these Small Cap appearances to work in the ePub versions as well.
Any thoughts on why this is not working?
Any help is much appreciated. Scouring the internet for a while has not turned up any advice.
Thanks in advance.

Hi- I have a problem with small caps and epub export too, in InD 5.0.
I defined a style with a nested stye that applies small caps for the first four words. I see this definition in the CSS output by InD:
span.no-style-override-2 {
font-variant: small-caps;
I do not see this style applied in any of the content. If I manually code it in:
Eric and Kate, young ....
it is correctly displayed. I'd like to get InDesign to export it correctly. I notice the same behavior in 5.5.
What can I do to have my nested style properly marked up in the epub export?
Thanks.

CS4 small caps size and tracking

Found something annoying. Maybe someone can confirm it (or explain it?)
before I file a bug report. I'm using 6.01.532 on Windows XP SP2.
Set some type in full/small caps using a font that doesn't have true
small caps. Change the small caps size to something ridiculous (like
30%) in Preferences and you should be able to see the change when you
okay Prefs. Now set some tracking on the type and try to change the
small caps size in Preferences again.
Does your type show the change, or does it ignore your setting in
Preferences?
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

Thanks, Peter
I can't duplicate it today. I did try restarting ID yesterday (and it's
been restarted again this morning), and it was showing up yesterday only
hours after trashing prefs due to a different problem (that was fixed by
trashing prefs). Mystery.
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

Macbook Pro Caps Lock. how to relieve? i cant small caps letter use?

Macbook Pro Caps Lock. how to relieve? i cant small caps letter use?

I think I have a different problem, but it shares some similar features.
I just got my MBP back from repair for a dead trackpad/keyboard.
Things work mostly peachy now, but I noticed that the caps lock feature doesn't work. The caps lock light does come on on both my built-in and external keyboards, but neither produces CAPS when used.
Searching for this topic on the 'net is difficult nowadays due to a different issue on the new MBP swamping most older discussions.
In any case, the feature itself is gone-the hardware seems to be working properly. It even gives me the little caps lock warning if I press the caps lock key on the login screen. However, no capital letters are ever produced with them.
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