Smart Mailboxes

Hi All,
I am sure this topic has been discussed already, so my apologies for bringing it back up.
I have recently purchased a Mac Mini and have been using Mail. When I setup a smart mailbox, the message moves to the smart mailbox folder, but it also stays in the inbox. When I setup a manual folder and drag the message over, the email moves out of the inbox into the folder.
Can you please let me know how I can make the feature of manual folder creation work with smart folders.
Many thanks in advance.
TMan

Each email needs to be stored somewhere in the system... either that is your inbox (a folder) or a manual folder you have created.
So when you move the email to a manual folder, its changing its location... it has a new address, so it no longer stays at the original location (its moved).
With a "smart mailbox", its not really a folder, its just a set of search criteria. It looks though all of your emails, and finds those which match and shows those emails to you. They are not stored actually in that "smart mailbox", they are only shown there... in a away, there like links to the original source.

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I want to see basically my inbox, only with all of the things being displayed in my smart mailboxes HIDDEN. I don't see an option for this. I tried creating a smart inbox, but there's no way to create the inverse of my smart mailboxes because the rules don't seem to allow it. Is there any way to do this or am I out of luck?
Thanks,
Jon

Thanks. Yeah, smart mailboxes being sort of filtered views of your INBOX makes good sense (references not copies as you say).
I could do what I want to do if there was either an option to hide stuff in the inbox that's in a smart mailbox OR if there were better smart mailbox rules for what to include. For example, if there was a "None" choice as well as "Any" and "All", I could create an Inbox2 that contains all the stuff that doesn't match any of the criteria for my other smart mailboxes. But it's not quite the smart. Also, I could make it work if you could include smart mailboxes in the rules themselves, but they only work with regular mailboxes. I can understand why that would not be a feature though.
Basically, smart mailboxes are great. BUT I want to use them to reduce the clutter of my inbox, not just see a view of it. So perhaps this is a feature request. I can't see how to do what I want to do...

How can I convert an ordinary Mail mailbox to a smart mailbox?

I have a large number of maiboxes all for the one account in Mail. I would like to get rid of them, preferably by changing them into smart mailboxes with the same criteria. The only way I can think of doing this is by deleting the mailboxes after moving the messages out of them then creating new smart mailboxes. That could take a very long time. Is there a way of doing this that is quicker and better? Apple Script? Automator? I don't know much about either of those, just that they exist and some programs have scripts that you can run. Grateful for assistance.

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You can cross post there if you want to do a script for what you want to do w/your Mail. You will NOT be violating Apple's TOU. The experts there will provide you w/detailed instructions.

Mail: smart mailbox contents disappears/search doesn't work & fix is only temporary

Since installing Mavericks (including the Mail update), the contents of my Smart Mailboxes disappears (the Mailboxes themselves are listed, there's just no content) and my ability to get results from Search within Mail disappears.
I have done a lot of searching here and via Google and read other people with similar problems. I have done the usual magical stuff: resetting permissions (including the version that involves the command "resetpassword"), deleting caches, etc. - but to no avail.
Spotlight clearly knows about all this mail, because I can find it with HoudahSpot, which uses the same database, but somehow Mail is not able to read what Spotlight knows.
Now there is a commonly recommended fix, which is to go to Terminal and type some version of:
mdimport ~/Library/Mail/V2
This works (as does reindexing the entire disk)! But only for about a half-hour to an hour, at which point Mail reverts to its previous state. Running the command again works again, but once again the cure goes away shortly after. Once again, the Smart Mailboxes are empty and search in Mail stops giving reslts.
Can anyone suggest a real, permanent solution to this problem, besides switching to another email program?

Okay, I think I understand better now. So I just ran a test, by creating the following rule:
I specifically chose an address (obviously not the one shown) that I had a message from in my Inbox, and a word that was present in the subject line of several messages in my Inbox. When I ran this rule on my Inbox, it copied exactly the messages I would have expected into the test mailbox. Are you seeing different behavior with the same rule, or is your rule constructed differently?
If the difficulty is with running the rule, note that (as I said earlier) rules only run automatically on unread incoming messages. It won't run automatically on existing messages or on messages on an IMAP mail server that you have read on another device using (in which case they will have been marked as read). If you need to run this in such conditions, you'll have to either run the rule manually or run it via an AppleScript or something similar that is somehow (via something other than Mail) made to execute at certain times/intervals or under certain conditions.
And you're correct, a smart mailbox would be totally inappropriate for what you're trying to do! It would behave exactly as you guessed.

Creating Smart Mailbox Folders in Mail.app (Lion): they do not save and disappear every time the application closes....

Hello there -
Hopefully someone can help, because this is just frustrating and weird. In Mail on Mac OSX Lion, I can create all the Smart Mailboxes I want, but if I try to create a Smart Mailbox folder, it shows up just fine in the sidebar. But, as soon as I close Mail, then re-open, the Smart Mailbox Folder is gone as if it never existed. This happens whether or not I actually put any Smart Mailboxes in the folder. Anyone else seen this issue and have suggestions?

Okay, I think I just discoverd a workaround. This will work if you're lucky enough to already have a smart-mailbox folder that persists after close. (Somehow I had two such folders that already existed and weren't subject to the mysterious disappearances on closing the app; perhaps I created them in a previous OS X release?) Anyway, here goes:
Locate an already existing smart mailbox folder that's working properly. Select the folder (in the sidebar).
Duplicate that folder using the "Duplicate Smart Mailbox" Command. (It's on the contextual pop-up menu or available via the gear icon in the lower left of the window). This should produce and exact copy of the folder and the boxes inside, appearing at the bottom of the smart mailbox list.
Edit the duplicate folder to put the smart mailboxes you want in it, and delete the previous mailboxes (duplicates) that you don't want.
The new folder structure should now persist between launches of the app.
There you go. Not the most elegant process, but workable. Don't know if there's a method if you don't have at least one smart mailbox folder already though.

Lost Mail in Smart Mailbox

I tried to edit a Smart Mailbox and lost all my mail in the smart mailbox when I hit the "-" to remove a double entry. The original entry remained and I added another entry and also I reentered the one I had removed. However, nothing now appears in that Smart Mailbox although there are message in the Inbox that meet the criteria.
Is there any way to recover my lost mail in the Smart Mailbox and how do I get the messages into it that are in Inbox?
Thanks.

You didn't lose the mail by doing this, you understand. A Smart Mailbox is like Smart Folder in Finder. It just shows you all mail that matches a set of requirements.
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Fred

Upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.5.8 and lost mail in several Smart Mailboxes

I upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.5.8. Several of my Smart Mail Boxes lost all email content but others remained in tact. Now the ones that lost content don't accept emails that meet the criteria for the Smart Box.
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Welcome to the Discussion,
Smart Mailboxes are only virtual mailboxes, and contain nothing -- they are the product of a search list, and messages must stay in their original mailboxes. All the messages will still in the originating mailboxes, unless something else you did impacted those actual mailboxes, so you should be able to rewrite the definitions for these Smart Mailboxes.
Ernie

I need to transfer the Smart Mailboxes I have set up on one computer to another computer. Both are running 10.8.4 and Mail 6.3. None of the old solutions are viable since there is no longer a 'Mail' folder in the User account.

I acquired a new iMac, and need to transfer the Smart Mialboxes I have set up on my Mac Pro to the iMac. Mail is already set up to sync thorough iCloud, but the Smart mailboxes are - apparently - set up for individual machines. The only solutions I have been able to locate involve moving Preference files from one machine to the other; the problem is that there is no longer a 'Mail' folder set up for individual Users (actually there is no Mail folder at ALL under 10.8.4), and I am unable to locate any .plist files for Mail at all. Any idea how to make this haoppen?

Create a new smart mailbox. Does it sync? If not, do as below.
Back up all data.
1. Triple-click the line below on this page to select it:
~/Library/Mail/Bundles
Right-click or control-click the highlighted line and select
Services ▹ Open
from the contextual menu. A folder may open, or you may get an error message that the item can't be found. Either result is normal. If the folder does open and has contents, move the contents to the Desktop. Relaunch Mail and test. If there's no change, put the contents of the folder back and quit Mail again.
2. Repeat with this line:
/Library/Mail/Bundles
This time you may be prompted for your login password when you remove the items. Make sure they're removed from the folder and not just copied to the Desktop. If necessary, copy them first and then move the originals to the Trash.

Is there any way to have a smart mailbox search sub-folders

My wife uses Mail.app for her business in which gets hundreds of emails a day and managing them all is quite a challenge. One important goal of e-mail management is archiving certain emails in folders (and sub-folders) without creating duplicates. What I've done is to create rules to move e-mails into their respective the folders and flag them based varying criteria. This works great!
The problem is when I make a smart mailbox to include only flagged messages in a specific mailbox, only messages in the root mailbox are found. All messages in the sub-folder are ignored or never considered. I used the "not in mailbox" option on my own mail.app but this isn't practical for her because she manages numerous e-mail accounts for clients and she adds new accounts frequently.
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Mine are showing emails in subfolders, but I don't have near that many emails.
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Is there a way to create a Smart Mailbox that shows Sent emails only?

Hi there,
I am trying to find a way to create a smart mailbox that only shows emails I have sent.
If I receive 20 emails today, 10 yesterday say, I have a Smart MB where I have set up emails received today, another SMB for emails received yesterday and another SMB for emails I've received in the past week. I can very easily see what has come in during the last few days or whatever.
What I also have are rules that move all emails received and sent to specific folders. The idea is that I will have nothing in my INBOX. The problem is that although it's easy to set up views to see what emails I've received on any day using the calendar option, I can't see a way of doing this to see what emails I've sent.
So, if I receive 20 emails today and I replied to 3 of them, those 3 will get sent to whatever folder I've allocated for them - I put all emails TO/FROM in one folder for each email address. This way I don't have 2 email folders TO and SENT for each recipient.
My problem is that I want to ONLY look at what I've sent today or maybe yesterday etc. if I can set things up the same way as receiving emails, But I can't seem to do this.
Seems strange that there are options to see filter out what's coming in but not what is being sent! But if there's a way to do this, it would be appreciated.
Regards,
Maz

Mail creates a Sent mail folder automatically when you set up an account. All your sent mails are kept there. You configure how it saves your sent mail here:
You should see the mailbox in Mail's sidebar:

Can I sync Mailboxes? Or do they need to be Smart Mailboxes?

Hi all,
Awhile back (sometime during OSX 10.3 or so), I set up several different mailboxes in Mail to help me organize my emails. For example, I have one mailbox dedicated to receipts that have been emailed to me, which I keep indefinitely for tax purposes. Another mailbox is for a certain email discussion list I belong to, in which I keep certain emails with information I'd like to keep on hand.
Now, fast forward to today. I use both my G4 iMac and my Intel iMac to check for mail. And, of course, my inboxes are perfectly synchronized. However, not so with my mailboxes. For example, if, on my G4, I drag an emailed receipt from my inbox to my "receipts" mailbox, the email doesn't show up at all when I open up Mail on my Intel iMac, since it's no longer in my Inbox. So, there's no way to access the receipt from that computer. I have to boot up my G4 iMac to access that particular email.
Is there a way to sync my mailboxes up? Or do I need to periodically archive my mailboxes on one computer and restore those archives on my other computer to do a type of "manual sync" between the two computers?
Or, should I just change them all over to Smart Mailboxes? Smart Mailboxes will sync up automatically won't they? And I can drag emails from my inbox to a smart mailbox, right?
Thanks for your help!
Kevin

The answer should actually be in your Mail's built in Help system.
Assuming you're using a MobileMe email account it's very easy to keep your folders in sync as long as you use IMAP. I may be wrong but it sounds like the mailboxes you're trying to sync are in fact stored on your Mac and not in the server. in the list of mailboxes in Mail do you see the mailboxes listed under "MY MOBILEME" or "ON MY MAC"?
Smart mailboxes are just mailboxes that automatically gather together emails that match the criteria specified by you.
In Apple Mail Help search for "mailboxes" for lots of info about mailboxes, including syncing. Also search for "IMAP" if you don't know what that is.
If you're using another email service other than MobileMe then you can still do the automatic syncing of mailboxes if IMAP is supported. Gmail for example supports it.

What are smart mailboxes and why do i need both smart and "normal" ones?

What are smart mailboxes and why do I need both smart and "normal" mailboxes?

Hi Kingoftypos,
Thanks for that clarification. So, now it appears that the ultimate purpose of a Smart Mailbox is to point to all emails that meet the criteria in a single place, so if they are spread among several mailboxes, you will be able to see them all together. Here is an article from Apple that describes it:
A Smart Mailbox displays in one location messages that are stored in other mailboxes, so you don’t have to move messages between mailboxes. The messages displayed by a Smart Mailbox are based on criteria you define, and are automatically updated to include new messages that match your criteria. For example, you might create a Smart Mailbox that displays all messages found in all mailboxes from a specific sender.
If you change a message in a Smart Mailbox, such as marking the message as read or unread, or moving or deleting the message, the change is reflected in the mailbox where the message is actually stored.
So, adam, I would think that, if you had mail going to a lot of different places, and wanted to be able to see a particular set of those in a single place, you would use a smart mailbox. Maybe use the rules to direct your mail to different places to start with, but a smart mailbox to bring a set of common ones all together into a single smart mailbox?
Maybe you have Rules move your Amazon mail to an Amazon folder and your Apple mail to an Apple folder, but then you have a Smart Mailbox that contains any mail that has the word "Receipt" in the Subject line?
Just a thought....
Cheers,
GB

Apple Mail smart mailboxes no longer work

Well, the subject says it all.
I am running Mail 7.3 under Mac OS X 10.9.5 and have 8 smart mailboxes set up. However, as of this morning, none of them are displaying any emails, along with all the VIPs. However, all other folders etc are working normally.
Any suggestions anyone?
Joe.

Ok, so I was right about the Combo updater - wouldn't install on my system.
So I tried all your other suggestions (well, except for installing Yosemite) and no go, although I'm not sure that resetting my file and folder permissions worked properly (I waited 15 mins and still didn't get the 'reset' button back again, so I just continued on with the rest of the steps).
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Anyway, I'm gonna try the whole reset of my files and folders again and leave it a lot longer this time and see what happens.
Joe.
PS. Thanks again for all your help!

How do I include sub-folders in a Smart Mailbox?

I've set up a Smart Mailbox using the following rules (ALL) :
1. Message is in Mailbox XXXX
2. Subject contains YYYY
3. Contains attachments
But only 3 messages were found! I then realised that although I carefully selected a high-level mailbox (XXXX), it hasn't looked in the large and very complex set of sub-folders.
Obviously, I don't want a smart mailbox for every sub-folder below XXXX. How do I force a Mail Smart Mailbox to look not only in a selected mailbox, but all its sub-folders too?

Never mind. I worked it out for myself.
Step 1. I created a new Smart Mailbox for any messages in mailbox XXXX, and all its lower level sub-folders, using the Match ANY rule.
Message is in Mailbox XXXX
Message is in Mailbox XXXX-AA
Message is in Mailbox XXXX-BB
Message is in Mailbox XXXX-BB-1
(etc)
Step 2. I then recreated the original Smart Mailbox (OP), but this time I stipulated
1. Message is in Mailbox (new Smart Mailbox). Rules 2 and 3 were unchanged.
It meant I had to create two Smart Mailboxes instead of one, and cost me ten minutes extra work, but it works. That's the main thing.

Odd Smart Mailbox Behavior

I receive a lot of mail with attachments so I created a Smart Mailbox with the following conditions -- ALL must be met:
1. Contains Attachments
2. Date Received is not in the last 2 weeks
My goal is to keep my mail intact for 2 weeks, and then delete the attachments so I can save disk space.
The Smart Mailbox works but not as I expected. I would assume that every day there would be at least one message that meets the conditions since I receive at least one attachment per day. What actually occurs is that the Smart Mailbox only shows mail every two weeks but some of the messages are older than two weeks -- as old as four weeks. The behavior seems odd to me.
Any suggestions?
Mac OS X (10.4.3)

If it's "not in the last 2 weeks" then it'll show messages older than the last 2 weeks. Do you want to show messages that are 2 weeks old? If yes, then change "not in the last 2 weeks" to "is exactly 2 weeks".

Smart Mailbox rules broken in 10.9

Ever since installing Mavericks, one of my Smart mailbox which shows emails in the last week with a Rule:
Date received, is this week
shows an empty mailbox.
Is this a known bug? There's lots of discussion around the GMail bugs, but this is a different issue.
Adam

Same problem here and this was working great with other versions.

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