Smart object in PS: what if you crop or do perspective correction afterwards

Let's say I open a LR smart object in PS, and do some stuff in PS in layers.
Then, I crop or rotatate or fix distortion in the RAW image in LR. What happens to the PS layers, which no longer match the size or orientation of the smart object?

When a file is passed from Lightroom to Photoshop as a Smart Object, there is no live link. From then on, changes to either instance won't affect the other.
You can make it happen manually, though.
First you save the Lightroom changes from the Lightroom database back out to the original file, by selecting the image in Lightroom and pressing Command-S/Ctrl-S (the shortcut for the Save Metadata To File command, which is under the Metadata menu in the Library module and under the Settings menu in the Develop module). If the image is a DNG, the edit metadata is written into the DNG. If the image is raw, the edits are written into the XMP metadata sidecar.
Next, in Photoshop, you select the Smart Object in the Layers panel and choose Layer > Smart Objects > Replace Contents. Then select the original file and import it again. This is sort of like updating a link. To save time finding the original file, from Lightroom you can right-click the image and choose Reveal in Finder/Reveal in Explorer, then drag it into the Place dialog in Photoshop that comes up when you Replace Contents. Once you get through all that, the Photoshop instance is updated because it re-reads the updated edit metadata you saved out of Lightroom, and applies it.
If in Lightroom you cropped, rotated, or distorted the image, it may be necessary in Photoshop to choose Image > Reveal All to automatically expand to the new dimensions or Image > Trim to delete extra space that resulted from the update.
It's a very tedious and time-consuming series of steps, but it can be done if you need it.

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I learned how here how to replace a photo with a similar photo in the same designs using the miracle of smart objects.
But what about text?
Let's say you have a chuck of text in a design and you want to change out that text with new text.
Same principle?
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SORRY, bit lost with both those answers.
Here is where I am:
With photos in layers, I convert to a smart object. Then I right click and do the replace, a new box comes up and I select a jpeg off the desktop.
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with text, is there a corresponding function here or not? You cannot choose a word file, right as your text replacement.
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Smart Objects...changing canvas size problem

When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
Is there a solution to this, or an easy way to quickly update every instance of the smart object on the original doc?
To clarify: I know that you can change the dimensions of the smart object on the original doc and it'll fix it, my question is if there's a way to automatically have that happen and have the original doc smart objects respect your canvas size changes on the smart object doc.
Reproduce:
1) Draw a circle
2) Turn it into a smart object
3) Go into the smart object, change the canvas size by increasing the height of the canvas. The smart object should now have a circle with blank space above/below it.
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5) The circle on the original document will now be squished.
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xg3 wrote:
When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
When you change the canvas size of a document the only layer that will change is a backgroung layer for it does not support transparency so its pixels will be changed. However a background layer should not distort it may be cropped and have canvas added in which case the color of the empty canvas can be set in the canvas size dialog. All other layer including Smart Object layer should not chang at all. Layer positioning in relationship to the canvas and the new canvas size is set during the canvas size change. Layers can be any size and have any aspect ratio. Their sizes can be smaller, the same or larger then the canvas size. Even layer that can fit within a documents canvas size may be positioned so that all, some or none of the layer is over the documents canvas.
I do not know what you mean when you write the original document chages. A smart object layer has an embedded copy of an object. The original document is not touched. You can open the smart object layer embedded object in Photoshop by double clicking on the smart object icon in the layers palette smart object layer and change it size. And distort it f you wish. When you use Photoshop save. Photoshop will change the enbedded object in the smart object layer. You can also leave the embedded smaro object as is and change the smart object layer size and distort it using transform on the smart object layer itsself.
I think what you did was to open the smart object in photoshop change its canvas saze then save it. The updated smart object is realy round but you dont see that it is becaue it is being transformec ti fit the original documents canvas. If you do a Canvas size on the codument you will see the original docyment canvas size is not change and thet your now squaching a now changed taller object into a shorter canvas. With each Smart Obkect layer there is as associated transform.
No I was wrong I just tried that and it looks like the transform was not the problem as yo can see I dir a Ctrl+T so you can see the size of the smart object layer is now biger then the original document and is positioned centered canvas is still 300x300 white area in image

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Switching off layer in smart object causes it to move in photoshop

Dear all. I am stumped. I have piece of packaging artwork that I’m using in my 3D software.
Smart Objects are great for this as all I have to do is go to Photoshop, double-click the Smart Object, then in Illustrator turn off the layers I need etc and update the Smart Object back in Photoshop and save back out for my 3D software. Only problem is that when I switch off the layer in illustrator and go back to Photoshop to update, the Smart Object jumps half way up my Photoshop file as if I’ve moved it but it also crops it so I can’t even just move it back down as there’s nothing there when I do.
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I am not a regular to this group and I have to admit I am a little
behind with my Photoshop learning curve. I just started going thru some info on smart objects and I am really confused about where these smart objects get saved.
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Thanks, Marek!
So, if the original and "placed" image is moved from its location or deleted...then what happens to the SO status?
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kristin

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Using smart objects...
However before the catalog has left the room, the client has sent product changes, so what a good time to test the theory of smart objects working. They don't. That is to say, I made a new file, "PLACED" images within that file and saved it , then flowed the images with text. InDesign updates the images that were flowed flawlessley but the images with smart objects did not change. I had to re-"PLACE" the products that changed, they were not updated automatically within the file they were "PLACED" into.
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I'm assuming that all your images (the new ones that you want to update) are the same pixel dimensions as the old ones, you didn't say
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This is not a particularly obvious at present, but I do hope they are working on a more robust "replace" and even external file linking for the future.

Transparency of the Smart Object created in Illustrator

Hi guys! Anybody smarter than me?
I created vector object in Illustrator with opacity masks:
I inserted saved .ai file {by draging from Br} into Ps as Smart Object.
But have a look at the imgs. below: You can see, that the masked area using Ai - Opacity mask is 100% demasked in Ai, but do you understand, what the same area does when .ai file is converted to the Smart Object in Ps? Do you have any ide what can cause such difference in rendering of the same object?
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http://forums.adobe.com/message/3911412#3911412

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I've sent over an image from LR5 into PS CS6 as a smart object.
I'm wanting to run the liquify filter, but it isn't open to me as an option. Can someone give me some ideas on what the problem is here?
I checked with Help on PS..and it says my copy is up to date and no new updates available.
I thought CS6 would work liquify on smart objects as a smart filter.
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Hiya,
OK, this is the scenario. I had to create a smart object of a group of layers because no matter what I tried I could NOT get dragging the group from one document to another to paste in place perfectly in the other doc (canvas was the exact same size as the other so that was not the issue). So when I created a Smart Object and the dragged it over it was almost perfect but the problem was there was no way to "unpack" the smart object to put it back to regular layers or better yet, grouped layers.
Is there a way to do this that I'm not aware of?? I hope so, I've 3 other artists over at the DAZ forums that are interesested in knowing as well.
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No, there is no direct way to "unpack" a smart object - because in
general the operation can't be done or would be lossy (involving
several conversions).
The point would be to have some quicker way of returning layer structure, sure damaged, to the master document. And one not too easy to do - a right click or control click on the Smart Object "transfer Smart object to layers". Thats all.
In my feature request I remember suggesting a dialog warning of these losses. So lets say (IF all of these conversions have been done at all) it returns a LAYERED, resampled, mode converted, version of the Smart object into the master file. It would obviously not be Impossible to 'unpack' vector Smart objects, again a dialog informing you of this, or saying "rasterizing object necessary".
These conversions happen ANYWAY for the file to be represented in the master document, so for output, results are not changed - all you are doing is 'fixing' it, at res, bit depth, and mode. But still layered.
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If you look at the other tread about transform Again and smart Object layers you will find I found there seems to be two flavors of Transform and some bazar behaviors when it come to smart object layers. http://forums.adobe.com/message/4611500#4611500
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