Smart Object Resizes after edit

I have a photoshop file I created for a book cover that contains an illustrator smart object -- a rectangular box that I need to periodically change the colors of. When I double click on the smart object it opens in Illustrator and I can edit it. However, when I go back to Photoshop the rectangle updates and enlarges to at least twice the size.
I created the file a couple of months ago and cannot remember for sure how I made the smart object, but no matter what I do I can't get it to maintain its size after editing.
I did place a new version of the rectangle and can get that to work, but since size and positioning is very critical I would feel more comfortable if I could get the original smart object to work.\
Any suggestions?
Jeff

Sorry--CS2 versions of both

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