Smart Object Transformation in CS5

Has anyone noticed that when you scale down a smart object in Photoshop CS5, the transformation tool resets the dimensions to 100%? In CS4, you are able to see the transformation properties once you scale down (by option-Shift clicking on the bounding box). It would be helpful to retain the scaled dimensions of the transformed smart object in case you need to import other smart objects to rescale.

Thanks. Here's a link to the video of me transforming in CS5:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS5_SmartObject_Transform.mov
Please note: The smart object I imported was already scaled down from the original size, but the transform controls show it as 100%.
In contrast, here is a screen cap of me doing the exact same process in CS4:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS4_SmartObject_Transform.mov
As you can see, once I get into transform mode, it shows that the smart object has been scaled from its original. This data is very valuable.
Hope this helps to clarify. Please note this applies to rotation as well.

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