Smart Objects mis-behaving in Photoshop 5.1?

Hi there
I'm using Pshop 5.1 on Win 7 64bit
Cince Adobe introduced Smart Objects in CS2 (I think it was CS2 - I jumped from 7) they've becom I standard part of my workflow that I use all the time
However, having upgraded from CS4 to the latest, smart objects don't seem to be working correctly - the problem is when saving them in order to return to my original image (with the smart objects contenst updated) I am asked to 'save as' - and the Temp folder is displayed - in other words, Photoshop is forcing me to save my smart object as a separate file which I'd then have to re-import into my original image, which would completely defeat the poin of using them in the first place
It doesn't always do this..
But I don't think it ever did it in CS4...
Is there a Photoshop expert out there who can tell me why this is hapenning?
Is it a bug?
A functionality change?
Can it be fixed? It is a royal pain. For example in my current image, I drag and drop an image in from a WIndows Explorer window, and Photoshop makes it a smart object - I click OK. I then open the smart object, use the Quick Selection tool to remove white edges that I don't want, double clcik the layer to turn it from 'Background' to 'Layer 0', and apply a layer mask to remove the white background I've selected. I then save, and instead I'ma sked to Save As, as I've described
I'd appreciate your comment
Thanks
jON

Is the original a jpeg? In that case transparency or layers are not supported, which is why you get Save As.
If you flatten it, it should behave normally. Or better, save the original to a different format first.

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